Wayne's gracious message prompted me to interject some ramblings (though
I usually fail at this myself I've found that the most useful email
lists are ones for which people make some attempt to monitor their
reactivity and pause and reflect before responding, often meaning not
responding at all, and I'm working to get on top of this). This recent
situation was a great lesson for me and I do want to thank Gene for that
though I did vote privately with Bruce to have him removed. Further
reflection and those jerky Zen guys prompted me to try to look my
disgust with Gene right in the eye and I'm trying to come to terms with
opening my heart on that score. But I believe there's another issue re.
the list that's just a practical matter. Too many more of these
excahnges (and we've had a few) and I have to realize that there's just
not enough time in my day to sift through the refuse for edifying
shakuhachi discussions. So while I may be able to evnetually open my
heart to Gene I'm still not sure that letting him back on the list makes
practical sense. There should be some basic rules of protocol to make
the list useful for any of us and though we needn't adhere to them
slavishly I think we ought to consider them important. If Gene really
wants to keep excahnging information with people on the list I suppose
letting him back on the list ought to be considered, but I think we
should consider some clarification on what we think the boundaries are
(maybe some basic rules for automatic temporary suspension to force a
little more reflection... I realize such a diverse group will probably
never come up with anything they could all agree on but some discussion
of the issue might be edifying) . That might take some of the burden off
of Bruce for having to keep such a careful eye on our playpen, though I
second the kudos to him for doing such a wise and compassionate job of
it.
>Bruce,
>I have been a participant here for some time now. In all the correspondence
>you and I have had, it has been manifestly clear to me that you have been a
>giving, considerate and dedicated friend to all and to the art.
>
>You have helped me unselfishly and have been a good friend. I usually stay
>pretty much off the online discussions because in the technical aspect of
>the art, I am as ignorant as I am enthusiastic in my practice and learning.
>Only in the realm of the actual Zen itself because of my studies and
>experience and training in Shorin Ryu Karate and Kobudo and my 32 years of
>teaching same, have I interjected anything.
>
>Gene's incredible hubris and his obvious unconcern for the generally
>accepted sensibilities of the civilized would have me tell you that I am in
>agreement with your decision. I have enjoyed some of Gene's adventures,
>especially in the use of urushi and his subsequent poisoning...and in his
>indomitable spirit and good humor to overcome his malady. But whatever in
>the world possessed him to go off on this latest tangent is beyond me.
>
>I know that should he honestly apologize and realize that somewhere in this
>world there should be some modesty, some small place where humor is
>appreciated but sensitivity as well; that somewhere there is a place for the
>less coarsening of America and our world, you would accept his apology and
>welcome him back. And perhaps we could all do as we know we can do: let
>go, let the river run, and fill the new bubbles with new energies, never
>mentioning this ripple again.
>
>But I thank you very much for doing all that you do to keep this an open
>forum for learning and sharing and camaraderie. Thank you.
>
>I know you considered the whole and your decision had nothing to do with an
>exercise of power for its own sake.
>
>Wayne
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bruce Jones [mailto:bjones@weber.ucsd.edu]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 12:42 AM
>To: shakuhachi@weber.ucsd.edu
>Subject: [Shaku] Terminating participants
>
>
>I want to take a moment to respond to all of you who wrote
>to me, both on the list and offline, about my terminating Gene
>Neill's access to the list. I've never had to do that before
>and was only willing to do so in extreme circumstances.
>
>I appreciate your support. Thank you,
>
>bj
>
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