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Like Kyosei, I've been a serious Zen student for the last 12 years. =
It's interesting to see what people have to say about it all. I think =
Zen isn't as tricky as we make it out to be. Or maybe I'm not that =
clever- always a possibility. =20
To me, the essence of the practice is not to cling to any of the =
interesting answers and/or non-answers people have mentioned on this =
list. Instead, I practice "not-knowing". It's not as easy as it sounds =
and it does take practice. Very liberating, though, once you get the =
hang of it. =20
Mark Miller =20
I've been following this thread to see were it might go. I'm a Zen =
stud=3D
ent and I came to the shakuhachi as an art assignment during Ango a few =
year=3D
s ago. You can only come to that "state" after you have eliminated the =
separ=3D
ation between you and the Shak, that means that you no longer think =
about th=3D
e fingering, or your sound, or the music, in other words you become the =
soun=3D
d, the flute or as they say become the flute. It is impossible to =
describe w=3D
hat is happening in words, the words only limit the mental picture and =
it's=3D20=3D
not the picture you're looking for. It is a state of being and you only =
know=3D
it after the fact when you say, "ahhh haaa, that's it" You can only say =
you=3D
've been there.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In Gassho,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Kyosei</DIV></BODY></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 13:46:14 -0400
From: =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bruno_Desch=3DEAnes?=3D <bruno@musis.ca>
To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
Subject: Re: [Shaku] Re: zen, pitch, temperature, etc.
Message-ID: <A132488C-8984-11D8-9DEC-0003931993D6@musis.ca>
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Dear Kyosei,
Is there koan that refers to sound or music? If so, it would be=3D20
interesting for us shakuhachi players to ponder on it.
Bruno
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