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From: Nicholas Pierotti=20
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Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Shaku] Help in Understanding shakuhachi
Is having no goal a goal?
On Jan 5, 2005, at 3:41 PM, Arnold, Kenneth wrote:
Well,
I am walking is not a goal. I am practicing zazen is not a goal. I =
am
playing the shakuhachi is not a goal.
On the other hand,
I am walking to work, I am practicing zazen to become enlightened, I =
am
playing the shakuhachi to get rich-all are goals.
So the question is not whether one plays "accidentally." One only =
plays.
Shakuhachi practice might be a goal or it might not.
Yours,
Ken Arnold
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From: John Baker [mailto:jinpa19822003@yahoo.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 1:36 PM
To: stan; Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
Subject: Re: [Shaku] Help in Understanding shakuhachi
--- stan <b@didgethings.co.uk> wrote:
Hi John
Isn't one of the fundamentals of Zen practice not to
have a goal?
Hi.=20
Not to get argumentative but just to make a point, let
me ask whether anyone anywhere has ever played the
shakuhachi accidentally? Or just accidentally sat
down to meditate? I was walking along and one day I
could play the shakuhachi. I was walking along and
one day I just sat and practiced Zen.
It may happen, but I do not know of it. Playing flute
and meditating are intentional activities and
intention implies a goal.
Regards,
John Baker
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Well,<BR>I am walking is not a goal. I am practicing zazen =
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practice might be a goal or it might not.<BR><BR>Yours,<BR>Ken=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Hi John<BR><BR>Isn't one of the fundamentals of Zen =
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