Re: [Shaku] E-mail # 85 in 30 hours...

From: stan (b@didgethings.co.uk)
Date: Fri Mar 11 2005 - 14:42:45 PST


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Hi Stav

A little about the didgeridoo...

The top makers of yidaki in Arnhem Land have spent a life time learning =
to make these instruments and to play them properly from knowledge built =
up and passed down over thousands of years.

Admittedly there are contemporary players and makers out there, but even =
to be reasonably good at that takes about 10 years of solid work. My =
friend makes some of the best didges in Europe, he's been at it over 12 =
years and will be the first to admit that he is still learning and still =
has many things to learn.

Many people think the didge is an easy instrument, but taken to it's =
traditional form in the yidaki and North East Arnhem Land styles of =
playing it, it is just as difficult and pain staking as the shakuhachi. =
It takes years to acheive a good basic drone in traditional styles. The =
tonguing and intonation used in trad is unbelievably complex. Over 99% =
of didge players do not even bother to attempt traditional playing =
because of its difficulty.

Even in contemporary playing, i know of no one who has played less than =
ten years that can actually play the instrument to a decent standard.

So i do feel that there are many comparisons between shakuhachi, =
didgeridoo, and many other instruments. All instruments taken to their =
limits are incredibly difficult, especially in traditional styles of =
playing.

All the best
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Stav Tapuch=20
  To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu=20
  Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:09 PM
  Subject: [Shaku] E-mail # 85 in 30 hours...

  This is such a wonderfully intresting and tragically wasteful exchange =
of=20
  e-mails that I just can not resist the urge to write something despite =
my=20
  better angels telling me not to...

  A few points:

  1- Yes, once again I am just amazed with my jaw open and my eyes =
popping:=20
  how and why is a shakuhachi list-serve so consistently the source of =
so much=20
  anger and discord? It is the most bizarre and strangest thing. If the =

  emotions weren't so real and the insults flying so really painful it =
would=20
  be hysterical. I am just speachless.

  2- I actually read the entire string of e-mails at work. I should be =
fired.=20
  I am filled with shame.

  3- I understand Jason's frustration with the $ thing. Shakuhachi =
study is=20
  not cheap. The instrument is expensive, and it is simply not the kind =
of=20
  instrument you can learn on your own. You need a teacher. And =
teacher's=20
  need to study for many years to become actually knowledgable about the =
music=20
  and instrument. The sad reality is that formal shakuhachi studies, =
nowadays=20
  at least, is a bourgeous past-time for people with a large amount of=20
  disposable income. But this is not the fault of anyone around. The =
only=20
  thing you can blame is the shakuhachi itself for being so damn hard to =
make=20
  well, and for having music notation so damn nutty that you need an=20
  experienced and professionaly trained teacher to explain it to you. =
Also,=20
  any instrument that requires at least two years of initial huffing and =

  puffing with little or no worthwhile musical output is clearly only =
going to=20
  be the instrument of choice of people with a lot of spare time on =
their=20
  hands. (In other words: people who aren't working around the clock to =

  support their families.)

  Didigeridoo, on the other hand, is cheap. You really do not need a =
teacher.=20
    I don't even think it has musical notation. And it doesn't make 20 =
+=20
  years of didgeridoo making experience to make a top quality =
instrument. So I=20
  could see why someone taking up both of these instruments would react =
with a=20
  large degree of indignation at the economics of the shakuhachi world.

  4- Important general warning: You can not just make casual comments =
about=20
  anyone or anything on this list concerning the shakuhachi world =
without=20
  realizing that anything you write about anyone will be read very soon =
about=20
  the person in question. We are a very small community and this =
list-serve=20
  is not some private channel of intimate conversation - rather it is a =
very=20
  loud public speaker system that blasts your message right into the =
living=20
  room of every single english speaking shakuhachi player on the planet. =
(And=20
  let me tell you: I have learned this lesson the hard way...one =
particularly=20
  stupid incident still sends horrible spasms of guilt and shame =
throughout my=20
  body, oy! If there was only an un-send button!)

  5- Yeah, I love Perry too.

  6- I also really appreciate Ronnie. The shakuhachi festival was like =
a=20
  crazy alternative shakuhahci reality dreamland fantasy come true. It =
was=20
  not cheap to attend, but, for me, it was worth every single dollar.

  Sorry to send e-mail # 85 in 30 hours... Hey, is this a new record for =
the=20
  list?

  _____________________________________________

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<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>Hi Stav</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>A&nbsp;little about the=20
didgeridoo...</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>The top makers of yidaki =
in Arnhem=20
Land have spent a life time learning to make these instruments and to =
play them=20
properly from knowledge built up and passed down over thousands of=20
years.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>Admittedly there are =
contemporary=20
players and makers out there, but even to be reasonably good at that =
takes about=20
10 years of solid work.&nbsp; My friend makes some of the best didges in =
Europe,=20
he's been at it over 12 years and will be the first to admit that he is =
still=20
learning and still has many things to learn.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>Many people think the =
didge is an=20
easy instrument, but taken to it's traditional form in the yidaki and =
North East=20
Arnhem Land styles of playing it, it is just as difficult and pain =
staking as=20
the shakuhachi.&nbsp; It takes years to acheive a&nbsp;good =
basic&nbsp;drone in=20
traditional styles.&nbsp; The tonguing and intonation used in trad is=20
unbelievably complex. &nbsp;Over 99% of didge players do not even bother =
to=20
attempt traditional playing because of its difficulty.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>Even in contemporary =
playing, i know=20
of no one who has played less than ten years that can actually play the=20
instrument to a decent standard.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>So i do feel that there =
are many=20
comparisons between shakuhachi, didgeridoo, and many other =
instruments.&nbsp;=20
All instruments taken to their limits are incredibly difficult, =
especially in=20
traditional styles of playing.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>All the =
best</FONT></EM></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dtapuch@hotmail.com href=3D"mailto:tapuch@hotmail.com">Stav =
Tapuch</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  title=3DShakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu">Shakuhachi@communicatio=
n.ucsd.edu</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 11, 2005 =
10:09=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Shaku] E-mail # 85 in =
30=20
  hours...</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><BR><BR>This is such a wonderfully intresting and =
tragically=20
  wasteful exchange of <BR>e-mails that I just can not resist the urge =
to write=20
  something despite my <BR>better angels telling me not to...<BR><BR>A =
few=20
  points:<BR><BR>1- Yes, once again I am just amazed with my jaw open =
and my=20
  eyes popping: <BR>how and why is a shakuhachi list-serve so =
consistently the=20
  source of so much <BR>anger and discord? It is the most bizarre and =
strangest=20
  thing.&nbsp; If the <BR>emotions weren't so real and the insults =
flying so=20
  really painful it would <BR>be hysterical.&nbsp; I am just=20
  speachless.<BR><BR>2- I actually read the entire string of e-mails at=20
  work.&nbsp; I should be fired. <BR>I am filled with shame.<BR><BR>3- I =

  understand Jason's frustration with the $ thing.&nbsp; Shakuhachi =
study is=20
  <BR>not cheap.&nbsp; The instrument is expensive, and it is simply not =
the=20
  kind of <BR>instrument you can learn on your own.&nbsp; You need a=20
  teacher.&nbsp; And teacher's <BR>need to study for many years to =
become=20
  actually knowledgable about the music <BR>and instrument.&nbsp; The =
sad=20
  reality is that formal shakuhachi studies, nowadays <BR>at least, is a =

  bourgeous past-time for people with a large amount of <BR>disposable=20
  income.&nbsp; But this is not the fault of anyone around.&nbsp; The =
only=20
  <BR>thing you can blame is the shakuhachi itself for being so damn =
hard to=20
  make <BR>well,&nbsp; and for having music notation so damn nutty that =
you need=20
  an <BR>experienced and professionaly trained teacher to explain it to =
you.=20
  Also, <BR>any instrument that requires at least two years of initial =
huffing=20
  and <BR>puffing with little or no worthwhile musical output is clearly =
only=20
  going to <BR>be the instrument of choice of people with a lot of spare =
time on=20
  their <BR>hands.&nbsp; (In other words: people who aren't working =
around the=20
  clock to <BR>support their families.)<BR><BR>Didigeridoo, on the other =
hand,=20
  is cheap.&nbsp; You really do not need a teacher. <BR>&nbsp; I don't =
even=20
  think it has musical notation.&nbsp; And it doesn't make 20 + =
<BR>years of=20
  didgeridoo making experience to make a top quality instrument. So I =
<BR>could=20
  see why someone taking up both of these instruments would react with a =

  <BR>large degree of indignation at the economics of the shakuhachi=20
  world.<BR><BR>4- Important general warning:&nbsp; You can not just =
make casual=20
  comments about <BR>anyone or anything on this list concerning the =
shakuhachi=20
  world without <BR>realizing that anything you write about anyone will =
be read=20
  very soon about <BR>the person in question.&nbsp; We are a very small=20
  community and this list-serve <BR>is not some private channel of =
intimate=20
  conversation - rather it is a very <BR>loud public speaker system that =
blasts=20
  your message right into the living <BR>room of every single english =
speaking=20
  shakuhachi player on the planet. (And <BR>let me tell you: I have =
learned this=20
  lesson the hard way...one particularly <BR>stupid incident still sends =

  horrible spasms of guilt and shame throughout my <BR>body, oy! If =
there was=20
  only an un-send button!)<BR><BR>5- Yeah, I love Perry too.<BR><BR>6- I =
also=20
  really appreciate Ronnie.&nbsp; The shakuhachi festival was like a =
<BR>crazy=20
  alternative shakuhahci reality dreamland fantasy come true.&nbsp; It =
was=20
  <BR>not cheap to attend, but, for me, it was worth every single=20
  dollar.<BR><BR>Sorry to send e-mail # 85 in 30 hours... Hey, is this a =
new=20
  record for the=20
  =
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