In my last entry I implied that the three years was the minimum as I was
traditionally educated. One of my shakuhachi friends reminded me that
many moderm makers only dry the pieces for two weeks after the
"cooking". The thing is if something works for you then use it.
Tradition is great and how we all learn but to deny progress is a bad
thing so if you have the luxury of trying many different techniques find
the one that works for you and see if the works of art you make survive
the test of time.
Have a great day everyone
Greg Bartlett
www.bigrockflutes.com
shakuhachi wrote:
>shakuhachi Tue, 10 May 2005 Volume 1 : Number 850
>
>In this issue:
>
> Re: [Shaku] Tsuru no Sugomori
> RE: shakuhachi V1 #849
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
> Bamboo
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
> Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 04:05:02 -0700 (PDT)
>From: "Justin ." <justinasia@yahoo.com>
>To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] Tsuru no Sugomori
>Message-ID: <20050509110502.11275.qmail@web53204.mail.yahoo.com>
>
>Hi Alcvin
>Wow that's great that you have the notation. I'm not
>sure about the internet thing. I'm kind of homeless
>and on the constant move. But I am seeing a teacher
>here inthe UK, and he will teach me his version of the
>piece. I had just wanted to do my homework before he
>taught me, to make the most of the lessons (as they're
>quite expensive. As for the notation you have, is
>there a chance you could scan it and email it to me?
>Are there any things in it that you think I wouldn't
>be able to work out from the notation and listening to
>the LP, such as peculiar fingering or something? The
>online going through it does sound nice though. Is
>that expensive? Anyway, perhaps I could figure it out
>by myself?
> Thanks again Alcvin. It would be nice to meet up some
>time. Now that I'm in Enlgland, do let me know if
>you're ever coming through. If I do get a place to
>live you'd be welcome.
> Best wishes
> Justin.
>--- Alcvin Ramos <ramos@dccnet.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Dear Justin,
>>
>>I have the Miyata version notation of Tsuru no
>>Sugomori (trascribed by
>>Larry Tyrrell). This was the first version of Tsuru
>>no Sugomori I
>>learned. I also learned the two versions of the
>>piece from Yokoyama's
>>school and Betsuden Tsuru no Sugomori. If you're
>>interested in going
>>over it with me, we can do it via internet (that's
>>assuming you live
>>far from BC, Canada and depending if you have the
>>right hardware and
>>software for video conferencing.)
>>
>>You must realize by now that honkyoku is not a
>>static art form. It
>>always changes from person to person and from moment
>>to moment.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Alcvin
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 22:44:42 +0900
>From: "Jeff Cairns" <shaku8@iris.dti.ne.jp>
>To: <shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu>
>Subject: RE: shakuhachi V1 #849
>Message-ID: <200505091344.j49Diph1008512@smtp5.dti.ne.jp>
>
>Kel,
>With regard to drying your culms, I strongly suggest after taking them from
>the ground, drawing the oils out while slowly rotating over red hot coals.
>The oils will bubble to the surface and you should wipe the oil off. The
>color should change from a dark green to a pale/whitish green. Any surface,
>black coloration should come off at that time as well.
>I would also suggest that you not remove the nodes while the bamboo rests in
>a dark place. This should be done when you are ready to actually work the
>piece.
>Good luck with it.
>jeff
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 07:26:20 -0700 (PDT)
>From: John Baker <jinpa19822003@yahoo.com>
>To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <20050509142621.1614.qmail@web52110.mail.yahoo.com>
>
>--- Tuscia-Falconer <falconer@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>Hello,
>>I am collecting culms, not mandake but a very
>>similar bamboo of consistet
>>size and for a novice I have had reasonable success
>>in getting them to play.
>>My question is regarding curing and drying.
>>
>>
>
>Hi.
>
>Monty Levenson's web site shakuhachi.com has pictures
>and narrative of his experiences gathering bamboo in
>Japan. He harvests in January (Japanese winter) and
>heats the bamboo to drive out the sap. Then he dries
>the bamboo in the open weather for three years, I
>believe. Heating the bamboo removes whatever attracts
>the insects to the bamboo, so the insects do not eat
>the harvest.
>
>Then Monty makes a flute.
>
>I think this is a long process that I, the customer,
>have to pay for. I'm grateful to Monty and other
>makers for what they do. If I had to make my own
>flutes, I probably would not play.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Baker
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 08:14:02 -0700 (PDT)
>From: JASON CASTNER <jchanwagenki@yahoo.com>
>To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <20050509151402.30319.qmail@web21123.mail.yahoo.com>
>
> John, What does this mean? U wouldnt play the flute?
>
>
>
> If I had to make my own
>
>
>>flutes, I probably would not play.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>John Baker
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 10:24:39 -0500
>From: "Tim Cassler" <Tim.Cassler@bromcomm.com>
>To: <Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <s27f3b41.068@nwgwout.chi.publicisgroupe.net>
>
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>John has a good point. I, too, am grateful for the level of artisanship
>and skill that goes into a well made shakuhachi. They are works of art.
>
>That being said, I have to add that I get a great deal of pleasure out
>of playing a 2.0 that I made out of a blank that I got from a guy in
>California for $3.75, if I remember right. (I bought 4 and trashed 3 of
>them in the process). At any rate, it must have absolutely been beginner
>luck because my holes are in the right place. And though they are not
>all the 'correct' size in diameter, the notes are in pitch and I can get
>through the entire range of notes on it. Plus it has a real nice breathy
>tone to it. The utaguchi was cut and sanded by hand....no insert, just
>bamboo. A while back, I made a 2.4 out of 1" PVC, and it sounds good,
>too.
>
>All that being said, making a flute of one's own makes one appreciate
>all the more the beauty and quality of a flute that is made by far more
>capable, experienced and artistic hands.
>
>Selah.
>
>:o)
>
>
>
>
>
>>>>jinpa19822003@yahoo.com 05/09/05 09:26AM >>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>--- Tuscia-Falconer <falconer@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>
>
>>Hello,
>>I am collecting culms, not mandake but a very
>>similar bamboo of consistet
>>size and for a novice I have had reasonable success
>>in getting them to play.
>>My question is regarding curing and drying.
>>
>>
>
>Hi.
>
>Monty Levenson's web site shakuhachi.com has pictures
>and narrative of his experiences gathering bamboo in
>Japan. He harvests in January (Japanese winter) and
>heats the bamboo to drive out the sap. Then he dries
>the bamboo in the open weather for three years, I
>believe. Heating the bamboo removes whatever attracts
>the insects to the bamboo, so the insects do not eat
>the harvest.
>
>Then Monty makes a flute.
>
>I think this is a long process that I, the customer,
>have to pay for. I'm grateful to Monty and other
>makers for what they do. If I had to make my own
>flutes, I probably would not play.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Baker
>_____________________________________________
>
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>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 11:08:18 -0700 (PDT)
>From: JASON CASTNER <jchanwagenki@yahoo.com>
>To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <20050509180818.60028.qmail@web21123.mail.yahoo.com>
>
>Personally, I don't care if the flute is made by an
>experienced person or not. If there is a flute laying
>around wherever I am at, I will play it and enjoy it.
>:) Anything else would be like saying if I can't
>always drive a Porsche then I will walk, or just not
>go anywhere at all. :)
>
>jason
>
>--- Tim Cassler <Tim.Cassler@bromcomm.com> wrote:
>
>
>>John has a good point. I, too, am grateful for the
>>level of artisanship
>>and skill that goes into a well made shakuhachi.
>>They are works of art.
>>
>>That being said, I have to add that I get a great
>>deal of pleasure out
>>of playing a 2.0 that I made out of a blank that I
>>got from a guy in
>>California for $3.75, if I remember right. (I bought
>>4 and trashed 3 of
>>them in the process). At any rate, it must have
>>absolutely been beginner
>>luck because my holes are in the right place. And
>>though they are not
>>all the 'correct' size in diameter, the notes are in
>>pitch and I can get
>>through the entire range of notes on it. Plus it has
>>a real nice breathy
>>tone to it. The utaguchi was cut and sanded by
>>hand....no insert, just
>>bamboo. A while back, I made a 2.4 out of 1" PVC,
>>and it sounds good,
>>too.
>>
>>All that being said, making a flute of one's own
>>makes one appreciate
>>all the more the beauty and quality of a flute that
>>is made by far more
>>capable, experienced and artistic hands.
>>
>>Selah.
>>
>>:o)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>>>jinpa19822003@yahoo.com 05/09/05 09:26AM >>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>--- Tuscia-Falconer <falconer@enternet.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>I am collecting culms, not mandake but a very
>>>similar bamboo of consistet
>>>size and for a novice I have had reasonable
>>>
>>>
>>success
>>
>>
>>>in getting them to play.
>>>My question is regarding curing and drying.
>>>
>>>
>>Hi.
>>
>>Monty Levenson's web site shakuhachi.com has
>>pictures
>>and narrative of his experiences gathering bamboo in
>>Japan. He harvests in January (Japanese winter) and
>>heats the bamboo to drive out the sap. Then he
>>dries
>>the bamboo in the open weather for three years, I
>>believe. Heating the bamboo removes whatever
>>attracts
>>the insects to the bamboo, so the insects do not eat
>>the harvest.
>>
>>Then Monty makes a flute.
>>
>>I think this is a long process that I, the customer,
>>have to pay for. I'm grateful to Monty and other
>>makers for what they do. If I had to make my own
>>flutes, I probably would not play.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>John Baker
>>_____________________________________________
>>
>>List un/subscription information is at:
>>http://communication.ucsd.edu/shaku/listsub.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:20:32 EDT
>From: macshute2@aol.com
>To: shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Bamboo
>Message-ID: <105.60a8466f.2fb103f0@aol.com>
>
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>Hi All,
>I have a question on bamboo and insects. I was in Hawaii on the Big Island
>and talk to someone who had made blinds out of bamboo for there home. They
>indicated that bamboo had now been approved for use in buildings on Kauai, but
>not the Big Island yet. Their problem was after making the blinds out of bamboo
>they had harvested, they started finding dust/powder, from some unknown
>beast/bug gnawing from somewhere inside. She said it tended to be a problem on
>their island. Has anyone observed this? Is it a problem for shakuhachi? Her
>question was does anyone know how to prevent it?
> Malcolm
>
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>I have a question on bamboo and insects. I was in Hawaii on the Big Is=
>land and talk to someone who had made blinds out of bamboo for there home.&n=
>bsp; They indicated that bamboo had now been approved for use in buildings o=
>n Kauai, but not the Big Island yet. Their problem was after making th=
>e blinds out of bamboo they had harvested, they started finding dust/powder,=
> from some unknown beast/bug gnawing from somewhere inside. She said i=
>t tended to be a problem on their island. Has anyone observed this?&nb=
>sp; Is it a problem for shakuhachi? Her question was does anyone know=20=
>how to prevent it?<BR>
> Malcolm</FONT></HTML>
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>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 13:03:25 -0700 (PDT)
>From: John Baker <jinpa19822003@yahoo.com>
>To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <20050509200325.34898.qmail@web52110.mail.yahoo.com>
>
>--- JASON CASTNER <jchanwagenki@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>> John, What does this mean? U wouldnt play the
>>flute?
>>
>>
>>
>> If I had to make my own
>>
>>
>>>flutes, I probably would not play.
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>
>>>John Baker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>Hi.
>
>It means I live in the city, work full time & have no
>interest in craft work. I find it easier to make
>money and buy things than to make them. If I had to
>make things I would do without them.
>
>I am grateful to craft workers who sell their things.
>I like the artists and I like their products. I also
>buy CDs and books. I suppose I could make my own, but
>I prefer to buy. The thousands of musicians and
>authors present me with a wide choice & I don't mind
>the price. At a time when salaries were under $10.00
>per week, a Haynes Flute cost $150.00 & a single-sided
>record cost $1.00
>
>I own shakuhachi from two makers and I enjoy the
>fantasy I purchased with the flutes. I know that
>makers put years of experience into the flutes I have.
> I do not want to do the work to pile up years of
>experience. The experience is valuable to me & I
>don't mind paying for the experience and the fantasies
>I have about the experience. My fantasies about the
>makers are more interesting to me than fantasies about
>zen, komuso, ronin, enlightenment and other imaginary
>things.
>
>Regards,
>
>John Baker
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:57:38 -0700 (PDT)
>From: bjones@weber.ucsd.edu (Bruce Jones)
>To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <20050509215738.CDB208313@weber.ucsd.edu>
>
>
>
>>From: John Baker <jinpa19822003@yahoo.com>
>>
>>My fantasies about the makers are more interesting to me than
>>fantasies about zen, komuso, ronin, enlightenment and other imaginary
>>things.
>>
>>
>
>And, to paraphrase David Lee Roth, fantasies are more important
>than sex. When was the last time you went three days without
>daydreaming?
>
>bj
>
>-
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:38:30 +1200
>From: "Tuscia-Falconer" <falconer@enternet.co.nz>
>To: <Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <002201c554f0$4f478aa0$44a431ca@k7g5g0>
>
>Ah, but was that a sexual daydream....?
>Kel.
>
>
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>
>
>
>
>>>From: John Baker <jinpa19822003@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>My fantasies about the makers are more interesting to me than
>>>fantasies about zen, komuso, ronin, enlightenment and other imaginary
>>>things.
>>>
>>>
>>And, to paraphrase David Lee Roth, fantasies are more important
>>than sex. When was the last time you went three days without
>>daydreaming?
>>
>>bj
>>
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>Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:21:29 -0700 (PDT)
>From: bjones@weber.ucsd.edu (Bruce Jones)
>To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <20050510002129.DD98C82DE@weber.ucsd.edu>
>
>actually, Roth's comment was that rationalization was more
>important than sex. Doubt he was rationalizing the lack of
>the latter...
>
>bj
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 12:35:40 +1200
>From: "Tuscia-Falconer" <falconer@enternet.co.nz>
>To: <Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <003501c554f8$455be4c0$44a431ca@k7g5g0>
>
>I'd have to conclude that my rationalisation is to combine the two. (fantasy
>and sex)
>
>Kel.
>
>Anyway, how many shakuhachi makers have time for sex ?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:58:01 +1200
>From: "Tuscia-Falconer" <falconer@enternet.co.nz>
>To: <Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu>
>Subject: Re: [Shaku] drying culms
>Message-ID: <001a01c5551c$fa499a20$6ca431ca@k7g5g0>
>
>Thanks for everyones reply's regarding the drying of culms.
>It has added to my understandings.
>
>Kel.
>
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>
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