>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 87 19:18:01 EST
>> From: rick@seismo.css.gov (Rick Adams)
>> To: backbone@cbosgd.uucp
>> Subject: newsgroup renaming
>>
>>
>> Back in July, after much "discussion", we decided on a renaming scheme.
>> We've done the first half. The renaming of the moderated groups still needs
>> to be done.
>>
>> A poll at the Usenix Usenet BOF resulted in 98% (3 did not agree) of
>> the people present agreeing with the proposition that we should get the
>> renaming over with, even if it does cause some problems. The only way
>> to see for certain is to do it.
>>
>> I (and others) fully agree. The results of a "versions" control message
>> I sent out last week show that over 50% of the sites are running 2.11
>> (434 out of 802). This should be enough to remove any technical problems.
>> We need to either do it now or admit that we are never going to do it.
>> People are getting confused over group names, etc.
>>
>> The renaming would take place in the "usual" three stages. Newgroups, followed
>> by aliasing, followed by rmgroups.
>>
>> I propose the following:
>>
>> The following groups should become unmoderated and gatewayed onto the ARPANET
>> mailing lists:
>>
>> (Old name) (New name) (# in last 14 days)
>> mod.telecom comp.dcom.telecom 34
>> mod.protocols.tcp-ip comp.protocols.tcp-ip 49
>> mod.protocols.appletalk comp.protocols.appletalk 6
>> mod.computers.workstations comp.sys.workstations 4
>> mod.computers.vax comp.os.vms 809
>> mod.computers.pyramid comp.sys.pyramid 0
>> mod.computers.laser-printers comp.laser-printers 23
>> mod.computers.apollo comp.sys.apollo 24
>> mod.computers.68k comp.sys.m68k 36
>>
>> The following new groups should be created:
>> new comp.windows.news 0 (unmoderated)
>> new comp.sources.atari 0 (moderated)
>> new comp.windows.misc 0 (unmoderated)
>>
>> The following groups should be renamed to moderated groups:
>> mod.ai comp.ai.digest 42
>> mod.amiga.binaries comp.sources.amiga 0
>> mod.amiga.sources comp.sources.amiga 0
>> mod.announce news.announce.misc 0 MINOR NAME CHANGE
>> mod.announce.newusers news.announce.newusers 10
>> mod.comp-soc soc.comp 19
>> mod.compilers comp.compilers 27
>> mod.computers comp.sys.misc 0
>> mod.computers.ibm-pc comp.sys.ibm.pc.digest 3
>> mod.computers.masscomp comp.sys.masscomp 4
>> mod.computers.ridge comp.sys.ridge 0
>> mod.computers.sequent comp.sys.sequent 0
>> mod.computers.sun comp.sys.sun 0
>> mod.conferences news.announce.conferences 31
>> mod.graphics comp.graphics.digest 0
>> mod.human-nets soc.human-nets 0
>> mod.mac comp.sys.mac.digest 6
>> mod.mac.binaries comp.sources.mac 21
>> mod.mac.sources comp.sources.mac 3
>> mod.mag.fidonet rec.mag.fidonet 2
>> mod.mag.otherrealms rec.mag.otherrealms 0
>> mod.map comp.mail.maps 20
>> mod.music.gaffa rec.music.gaffa 499
>> mod.newprod comp.newprod 4
>> mod.newslists news.lists 9
>> mod.os comp.os.misc 20 MINOR NAME CHANGE
>> mod.os.os9 comp.os.os9 1
>> mod.os.unix comp.unix 0
>> mod.philosophy talk.philosophy.misc 0
>> mod.philosophy.tech sci.philosophy.tech 0
>> mod.politics talk.politics.misc 0
>> mod.politics.arms-d talk.politics.arms-d 2
>> mod.protocols comp.protocols.misc 4
>> mod.protocols.kermit comp.protocols.kermit 0
>> mod.psi misc.psi 0
>> mod.rec.guns rec.guns 9
>> mod.recipes rec.food.recipes 21
>> mod.religion.christian soc.religion.christian 4 NEW
>> mod.risks soc.risks 1
>> mod.sources comp.sources.unix 42
>> mod.sources.doc comp.doc 0
>> mod.sources.games comp.sources.games 0
>> mod.std comp.std.misc 0
>> mod.std.c comp.std.c 0
>> mod.std.mumps comp.std.mumps 0
>> mod.std.unix comp.std.unix 11
>> mod.techreports comp.doc.techreports 0
>> net.sources.games comp.sources.games 115
>> net.sources.mac comp.sources.mac 36
>>
>> This should stay unmoderated with a new name:
>> net.sources.bugs comp.sources.bugs 17
>>
>> This should become a moderated group, with very low standards.
>> I.e. it doesn't have to be well written, documented, etc. It would
>> have VERY fast turnaround (unlink mod.sources). I believe Rich Salz
>> (the current mod.sources moderator) will semi-moderate it.
>> I think an unmoderated net.sources is a mistake. (look at whats
>> in there now as an example)
>>
>> net.sources comp.sources.misc 60 SEMIMODERATED
>>
>> The following groups should be aliased to these already existing
>> unmoderated groups (i.e. killed):
>>
>> mod.religion talk.religion.misc 0 UNMODERATED
>> mod.music rec.music.misc 0 UNMODERATED
>> mod.rec rec.misc 0 UNMODERATED
>> mod.amiga comp.sys.amiga 12 UNMODERATED no sources
>>
>> talk.philosophy.tech should be renamed sci.philosophy.tech. It's been
>> low volume and "rational" and has earned moving out of the talk
>> category (we did mention that as a possibility months ago). It sets
>> a good example.
>>
>> ---rick
>>
>> To: rick@seismo.css.gov (Rick Adams)
>> Cc: backbone@cbosgd.uucp
>> Subject: Re: newsgroup renaming
>> <8702190018.AA11632@beno.CSS.GOV>
>> Date: Fri, 20 Feb 87 05:12:49 +1100
>> From: Robert Elz <kre@munnari.uucp>
>>
>> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 87 19:18:01 EST
>> From: rick@seismo.CSS.GOV (Rick Adams)
>>
>> I propose the following:
>>
>> The following groups should become unmoderated and gatewayed onto the
>> ARPANET mailing lists:
>>
>> (Old name) (New name) (# in last 14 days)
>> mod.telecom comp.dcom.telecom 34
>> This one is a truly moderated list (even though the moderator
>> has a tendancy to leave in "Submission for.." subject lines,
>> and I'm not sure I blame him). It should stay on the
>> moderated list.
>>
>> On net.sources - I think it could work as a moderated group, but the
>> way to do it would be to get a whole bunch of moderators (say 10 or
>> so in North America, a few in Europe, and one in each of whatever other
>> major areas exist (Aust, Korea, Japan, whatever else)). I don't think
>> this should be dumped onto Rich, mod.sources is enough work already.
>>
>> In particular, John Gilmore (hoptoad!gnu) should be strongly pressed
>> into becoming one of the moderators, with the emphasis that he can
>> post anything to it that he likes.
>>
>> I think doing it this way would kill a lot of the objection to
>> having it moderated, it would tend to keep out the trash, keep
>> postings in a form that is likely to get distributed without
>> total lossage, and make it practically impossible for anyone to
>> claim that they can't get mail to the (a) moderator.
>>
>> net.sources (or comp.sources.misc, or whatever) is ideal for this
>> kind of moderation, the whole point would be to keep no archives
>> do no sanitising (adding makefiles, man pages, etc), no making
>> volumes, etc, just see that its source, and post it. There would
>> need to be no communication between moderators (its barely possible
>> that something could be sent to many of them, and all of them post
>> it, but I think that problem can be faced if it ever arises).
>>
>> I am certainly in favour of doing this change ASAP, especially the
>> change of currently moderated groups that shouldn't be into
>> unmoderated ones.
>>
>> kre
>>
>>
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