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Most interesting discussion.
But just what WAS the length of shaku "in the old days".
It seems that the shaku has changed with time and the present shaku was =
only standardised by government decree in the 1890's as 10/33's of 1 =
metre (11.96 inches).
Does anyone have accurate historical infomation about just what length, =
in modern terms, the 1.8 Edo shakuhachi, and those before it, actually =
were.
Andrew
----- Original Message -----=20
From: PH=20
To: shakuhachi@weber.ucsd.edu=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: length - tuning
Nelson, very interesting analysis. But in the old days, the 1.8 was =
the statndard, and it didn't
matter what that pitch was. So despite the 1.6 being mathematically =
the size where shaku and pitch
coincide, so to speak, couldn't the 1.8 still be the standard? I'm =
probably talking past what
you've said, but be patient with me.
Something that occured to me after my last post is about the nishaku. =
It's the only length about
which I've heard the terms "Seiritsukan" and "Seisunkan" used. The =
former is a flute with exact
pitch (i.e.C), and the latter a flute with exact length (i.e exactly 2 =
shaku). This is because a
2.0 in C is already over 2 shaku, but by less than half a sun, so it =
can't be called a 2.1. After
that, it's just a convention, as most 2.1s are close to 2.2 and so on, =
but there's no need to
differentiate. Also, most old 2.0s are exactly 2 shaku long and thus =
not "in pitch." This probably
doesn't throw any light on anything, but it's a little shakuhachi =
trivia, and if you're looking at
old 2.0s be sure to check the pitch if it's important your flute play =
in C. I have to add though
that I think the sharp 2.0 is a great pitch, along with 1.9 my =
favorite for Kinko-ryu honkyoku,
Esashi Oiwake, and so on.=20
Peter
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little =
temporary Safety, deserve neither
Liberty nor Safety." -Benjamin Franklin
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most interesting =
discussion.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But just what WAS the length of shaku =
"in the old=20
days".</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It seems that the shaku has changed =
with time and=20
the present shaku was only standardised by government decree in the =
1890's as=20
10/33's of 1 metre (11.96 inches).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Does anyone have accurate historical =
infomation=20
about just what length, in modern terms, the 1.8 Edo shakuhachi, and =
those=20
before it, actually were.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Andrew</FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 14, =
2001 5:51=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: length - =
tuning</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Nelson, very interesting analysis. But in the old days, =
the 1.8=20
was the statndard, and it didn't<BR>matter what that pitch was. So =
despite the=20
1.6 being mathematically the size where shaku and pitch<BR>coincide, =
so to=20
speak, couldn't the 1.8 still be the standard? I'm probably talking =
past=20
what<BR>you've said, but be patient with me.<BR><BR>Something that =
occured to=20
me after my last post is about the nishaku. It's the only length=20
about<BR>which I've heard the terms "Seiritsukan" and "Seisunkan" =
used. The=20
former is a flute with exact<BR>pitch (i.e.C), and the latter a flute =
with=20
exact length (i.e exactly 2 shaku). This is because a<BR>2.0 in C is =
already=20
over 2 shaku, but by less than half a sun, so it can't be called a =
2.1.=20
After<BR>that, it's just a convention, as most 2.1s are close to 2.2 =
and so=20
on, but there's no need to<BR>differentiate. Also, most old 2.0s are =
exactly 2=20
shaku long and thus not "in pitch." This probably<BR>doesn't throw any =
light=20
on anything, but it's a little shakuhachi trivia, and if you're =
looking=20
at<BR>old 2.0s be sure to check the pitch if it's important your flute =
play in=20
C. I have to add though<BR>that I think the sharp 2.0 is a great =
pitch, along=20
with 1.9 my favorite for Kinko-ryu honkyoku,<BR>Esashi Oiwake, and so =
on.=20
<BR><BR>Peter<BR><BR>"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to =
purchase a=20
little temporary Safety, deserve neither<BR>Liberty nor Safety." =
-Benjamin=20
=
Franklin<BR><BR>__________________________________________________<BR>Do =
You=20
Yahoo!?<BR>Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals<BR><A=20
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