I may not be using "atari" correctly, I should have probably used the term
"oshi" or the "hitting" of a hole in order to repeat a note. My suggestion
is that rather than "hitting" the "repeat-note" ultra-quick, you do it
slowly and listen to the resulting interval, then bring that awareness to
your CD listening. As far as the intervals produced on the various flutes
are concerned, I currently have in my possession a 1.8, 2.1, and 2.4 (thank
you Ronnie) and they all produce the same intervals between the various
notes, so I would assume that all the various sizes are consistent in that
regard. Of course, your pucker and chin position can dramatically change
your intonation on a given note. I sort of come to the conclusion that
playing shakuhachi requires an acute sense of where your pitch-center is,
otherwise you cannot be aware of the degree to which you are meriing or
keriing (do people actually spell these terms this way?!) from the
"reference-center" of a given note.
At 12:31 AM 11/22/2001 +0900, you wrote:
>Dan,
>
>You've totally lost me, but I'd love to undertand this whole business.
>
> > with basic interval recognition. Try listening for the intervals naturally
> > produced by different atari and that is a give-away as to the note being
> > "ataried-to". Once you know that note, a comparison with your flute can
> > tell you the difference between the flute on the recording and your
> > own. Some of the more common ataries help to identify
> > flute-differences. Try this. Play RO with an atari using the 2nd finger
> > (producing the interval RO-RE-RO).
>
>I don't have my flute with me, so I can't try it to be sure, but I'm pretty
>sure that playing RO and then lifting the 2nd finger does NOT result in a
>RE. Also, I'm not sure if you are using the phrase 'atari' correctly. I
>usually here it used as a quick strike, and it doesn't usually result in a
>note that you can, per se, tell the pitch of.
>
>But, basically, don't all length instruments have the same intervals? I mean
>(and I don't know squat about music theory, so bear with me) the difference
>between a RO and a RE on a 1.4 is exactly the same as the same difference as
>on a 3.0, right? The notes themselves are different, of course, but the
>difference in pitch between the notes should be the same, right? Am I wrong
>on this basic assumption?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Zachary Braverman
>
>
> >
>That produces an interval of a Perfect
> > 4th (d-g-d). Next, play Tsu-no-meri with an atari using the same 2nd
> > finger (producing Tsu-no-mere to RE and back). That produces the interval
> > of a Major third (e-flat to g and back). Finally, play RE with an atari to
> > CHI (RE-CHI-RE). That produces the interval of a Major 2nd (g-a-g). All
> > three of these intervals have different colors and sizes and are cues you
> > can use to compare your flute to the on on the CD.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > At 08:02 AM 11/21/2001 +0900, you wrote:
> > >OK, here is the scoop about the lengths of flutes used on the Zen
>recording
> > >someone mentioned.
> > >
> > >Yokoyama does not have a copy of the CD in question and does not remember
> > >the songs recorded or the lengths of flutes used.
> > >
> > >He laughed at my question, saying that any shakuhachi player worth his
> > >breath would know the lengths of the flutes used simply by listening. It
>is
> > >also very important to be able to hear intervals which makes knowing the
> > >flute length a snap. This means you know the musical distance between
>two
> > >different tones such as an octave, etc.
> > >
> > >Good Luck! Also know that the rank examinations in Tozan sect contain a
> > >test called "kaki tori". For this, one must listen to a section of some
> > >song and write down the shakuhachi score as it is being played three
>times,
> > >first time to write the fingering position symbols, second time to write
>the
> > >time marks, third time to check and revise. Good Luck!
> > >
> > >Tom
> >
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