This web-site has become a wealth of information, and education. When I
first clicked on this site, there seemed to be little in conversation and
support. I saw mainly postings for performances and new cd's by performers
but not much in the discussion area. I do hope this continues,
congratulations.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter" <shakahuna@yahoo.com>
To: <shakuhachi@weber.ucsd.edu>
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2002 6:25 PM
Subject: Shibui and Hade
> --- Bud <bud@rajah.com> wrote:
> > Ah, I for one could really benefit from a discussion of these general
> > aesthetic concepts, like SHIBUI and HADE .... could someone please
> > explain
> > (with examples?) thanks!
>
> Words like Shibui, Wabi-sabi, and so on, are indeed hard to define, but
> I find it helpful to look at the concrete meanings of the words, or
> even the etymology of the characters. The character for shibui has been
> simplified in modern Japanese, but the older form has the water radical
> and three of the character for "to stop" (in the modern form the bottom
> two have been simplified to two strokes each). Originally it referred
> to a blockage of water, and was and still is used to describe the taste
> of an unripe persimmon. If you've ever bitten into an unripe persimmon
> you'll see the rationale as the taste is astringent in the extreme. So
> perhaps the closest English "aesthetic code-word" would be austere--the
> idea anyway, I think, is the opposite of rococo, or perhaps the taste
> of a very ripe, sweet fruit (or a double fudge sundae). I think it's a
> concept whose time has come in this double fudge sundae culture.
> Hade is an interesting compliment to shibui. It means something that
> stands out, like bright, fancy clothing, or very extroverted behavior.
> A few months ago I was preparing to play the Kinko version of Sagariha
> in a competition, and my teacher recommended that I play the Dokyoku
> version of Tsuru no Sugomori instead because it was much more hade. So
> think of that peice, or Yamagoe, or Daha. Ha by the way is the second
> character in ryuha, as in Kimpu-ryu Nezasa-ha, and means a stream or
> the branching of a river. De is te--hand. As for why they mean what
> they do together? No idea! But for me looking at these concrete
> meanings really imparts a strong sense of the word; I get a feeling
> like I do when reading Shakespeare, with the analogies he draws between
> natural processes and social phenomena.
>
>
> Peter Hill
>
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