RE: Coltrane poster?

From: Bud (bud@rajah.com)
Date: Mon Sep 16 2002 - 12:49:44 PDT

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That's funny, when I was a young man in Ohio (1966-67) I had a little radio
station at my dorm at Ohio University in Athens. It was a 2 part show
(Coffee House Part I: Folk Music, mostly Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, etc. in those
days and Coffee House Part II: Jazz) I remember playing a lot of Lateef on
the Jazz show and it was his playing of some of the Asian horns that
probably planted the seeds of my interest in Shakuhachi today.

Brett "Bud" Breitwieser (brettb@rajah.com)
Zen Site: http://zenbud.com
Rajah Networking: http://rajah.net
Walking, Trike, Greens: http://rajah.ws
The Dragon: http://rajah.org

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Dan Gutwein [mailto:dfgutw@wm.edu]
  Sent: Monday, September 16, 2002 12:23 PM
  To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
  Subject: RE: Coltrane poster?

  My response is way off shakuhachi-issues --- but ---
  man does this open up deep memory traces of containing life-changing
musical experiences with Yousef.
  I was 14 years old in 1964, wanted to learn to play jazz, but living in
Dayton, OH (seriously segregated then and now), my mother asked me what I
wanted for my birthday and I said "albums by black jazz players" - she had
previously only bought me stuff by Brubeck and Mulligan etc. She went alone
to the west side of town and bought me my first LP by Trane and Yousef - I
memorized every slow blusey track on Yousef's records - even the tracks that
sounded non-Western. (Coltrane was just too tough to imitate.) If it
wasn't for Yousef, I'm sure that my recent interest in shakuhachi (now that
I'm 50 years old) would never have taken root in such a profound and subtle
way. Thank you Yousef.

Dan Gutwein
dfgutw@prodigy.net

At 11:12 AM 9/16/2002 -0700, you wrote:

      Back in my old DJ days (it's been over 30 years!) I remember playing a
      record (it was all vinyl back in those days ;*)> ) by Yousef Lateef in
which
      he played some kind of Chinese horn... anyone have any idea what this
was??

Which record are you referring to as he has released so much since the
50's!? I have recently been doing a rather intensive study of Dr. Lateef's
music and dragging some of my shakuhachi students along the trail with me.
On Eastern Sounds, a brilliant Lateef record from 1961 he is playing a
Chinese stone flute that sounds gorgeous.

You can see more information about him at www.yuseflateef.com
He is now in his 80's, still a full professor at U. Massachusets and
still composing, performing and touring intensively! He will actually be on
the SanFrancisco Jazz festival in the next month or 2 which i am looking
forward to.

There is a very close connection between Lateef and Coltrane!! It was
Lateef who turned Coltrane onto many forms of "world music" back in the late
50's which set Trane off in a very different direction away from bebop and
into modal forms and messing with Arabic and other "eastern" scales/modes
(Bruno Deschenes is going to jump on me for using the term, scales here,
LOL).

Among many incredible publications that Dr Lateef has put out, there are
2 i highly recomend for shakuhachi players who are interested in thinking
outside of the traditional shakuhachi box. One is a huge book called "a
repository of scales and melodic patterns" which is an intensve study of
different scales and modes from around the world. The other is a book called
"124 duets for treble clef instruments" and many of those duets sound
wonderful on shakuhachi.
My more advanced students are using these books along with their
honkyoku and sankyoku studies.

I have recently added a couple of Lateef compositions to my solo concert
repetoire. Recently i have come to realize he is one of the most important
American composers, performers, educators and theorists of our time.

phil

    --
    Philip Gelb
    phil@philipgelb.com
    http://www.philipgelb.com
    ____________________________________________________

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 Department of Music
 College of William and Mary
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http://www.wm.edu/CAS/music/gutwein/mus181.htm
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and I=20
 said "albums by black jazz players" - she had previously only bought =
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 by Brubeck and Mulligan etc.  She went alone to the west side of =
town and=20
 bought me my first LP by Trane and Yousef - I memorized every slow =
blusey=20
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non-Western. =20
 (Coltrane was just too tough to imitate.)  If it wasn't for =
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 sure that my recent interest in shakuhachi (now that I'm 50 years old) =
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some kind=20
 of Chinese horn... anyone have any idea what this=20
 was??</BLOCKQUOTE> Which record are you referring to as he has =
released=20
 so much since the 50's!? I have recently been doing a rather =
intensive study=20
 of Dr. Lateef's music and dragging some of my shakuhachi students =
along the=20
 trail with me. On Eastern Sounds, a brilliant Lateef record from =
1961 he=20
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and=20
 touring intensively! He will actually be on the SanFrancisco Jazz =
festival=20
 in the next month or 2 which i am looking forward to. There =
is a very=20
 close connection between Lateef and Coltrane!! It was Lateef who =
turned=20
 Coltrane onto many forms of "world music" back in the late 50's =
which set=20
 Trane off in a very different direction away from bebop and into =
modal forms=20
 and messing with Arabic and other "eastern" scales/modes (Bruno =
Deschenes is=20
 going to jump on me for using the term, scales here, =
LOL). Among many=20
 incredible publications that Dr Lateef has put out, there are 2 i =
highly=20
 recomend for shakuhachi players who are interested in thinking =
outside of=20
 the traditional shakuhachi box. One is a huge book called "a =
repository of=20
 scales and melodic patterns" which is an intensve study of different =
scales=20
 and modes from around the world. The other is a book called "124 =
duets for=20
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 shakuhachi. My more advanced students are using these books along =
with=20
 their honkyoku and sankyoku studies. I have recently added a =
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 come to realize he is one of the most important American composers,=20
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