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If I may add just a small comment on this very interesting discussion. I
am Canadian, but in the US there is a group of Health Institute, based
in Washington. There is an eye institute but there is no ear institute.
Yet, our ears can be damaged much more easily, specially with the high
level of noise in our cities and listening to too loud music, while it
is not necessarily the case with strong lights, as far as I know.
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From: Bill Fletcher [mailto:bill@scienceandart.com]=20
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:35 PM
To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Problems??
Herb,
What we have to be most careful of in musical instrument playing, music
listening and just generally in an industrial society are the "transient
spikes" associated, but not always measured in sound decibel levels.
Using a decibel meter, one might measure 90 db overall of ambient sound
level, but there could be 130 db striking your ear of 1000 cycle
transient spikes. They may only hit these levels for a few milliseconds,
but they can be very damaging to the ear.
Shakuhachi by nature is going to create fairly balanced sound levels
where a snare drum or clapping or a gun shot can have tremendous mid
range transient spikes. In stereo equipment, the lower the quality of
the equipment, the more it will hit you with these very loud spikes.
Rock concerts are monstrous. It's just something to keep in mind when
considering your exposure to sound. This is just the 2 cents worth from
an ex-sound engineer.
Head phones are dangerous because sound pressure levels can get very
high without your noticing after wearing them for a period of time.
People tend to turn them up as time goes on. I have to admit that I love
listening to solo shakuhachi on head phones. It's a perfect match of
intimacy of instrument-performance and intimacy of listening experience.
We just need to be careful of the volume and the great dynamic range of
honkyoku playing. . . and perhaps not listen for too long a time.
You could probably get some good input about tinnitus without too much
expense from an ENT doc. This may or may not have anything to do with
you music listening past.
Bill Fletcher
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On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 10:01 AM, Herb Rodriguez wrote:
I don't to caffeine and alcohol, so that can't be the situation in my
case. Maybe salt and sugar?
anyway, I've not been to a doctor, so I can't tell if my case is mild or
severe. I just know its become more noticeable as time goes on.
I think, in my case, it may be a result of years of listing to tapes
with headphones on. Not that I have the audio level on very loud, mind
you. I don't like it loud. And this is a mixture of relaxtion music and
meditation tapes, so its not loud or thumping. But I think just the
sound waves and pressure being confined directly into the ears via the
headphones may be a factor. I think I heard Don Campbell mentioning a
theory on that. He (or at least I think it was he) doesn't feel
headphone use is healthy for the ears. (Now I find out!)
I remember hearing in high school or early college that when the ears
are subjected to loud noises that cause ringing, the ringing will last
as long as the time the original noise lasted. IE, a 2 hr rock concert
results in 2 hrs of ringing. Well, in the early days I tried to notice
that and sometimes I thought that it was true. But you need relative
quiet for the ears to recover.
Now days, with the constant high level of everyday ambient noise, eg.
traffic, street construction, any other background noise, there is never
any quiet. So, if you're in a noisy environment for many years, do you
need the equivalent number of years of total quiet and silence to let
your ears recover?
Would wearing ear plugs on a regular basis help?
Herb
At 01/24/2003 07:47 AM, you wrote:
I have had low grade Tinnitus for many years - I probably caused damage
to my ears while in the army. Believe it or not I just got used to it.
After going to several Doctors the best advice I got was to minimize
salt, alcohol and caffeine in my diet. For some reason these feeds add
to the problem.=20
People also tend to be most annoyed by the noise when it is very quiet.
So if you have trouble sleeping at night with it, just put some soft
music on in the background - it tends to drown it out. Luckily, for me,
it is barely noticable. I pity the soul who gets a bad case of this -
it must be maddening.
From: Herb Rodriguez <Herb.Rodriguez@Colorado.edu>
Reply-To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
Subject: Re: Ear Problems??
Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:24:50 -0700
At 01/21/2003 03:58 PM, you wrote:
though some people get some relief in various directions: herbals,
drugs, acupuncture, Tinnitus Retraining Therapy. Some people spend a lot
of money in a vain search for a cure or amelioration, while for some
lucky others, the tinnitus spotaneously vanishes, even after months or
years.
Good luck.
Windsor Viney Waterloo, Ontario, Canada
Thanks for your detailed reply. Can you explain more about Tinnitus
Retraining Therapy?
Herb
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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Bill Fletcher=20
[mailto:bill@scienceandart.com] <BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 24, =
2003 4:35=20
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
Re: Ear=20
Problems??<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Herb,<BR><BR>What we have to be most =
careful of=20
in musical instrument playing, music listening and just generally in =
an=20
industrial society are the "transient spikes" associated, but not =
always=20
measured in sound decibel levels. Using a decibel meter, one might =
measure 90=20
db overall of ambient sound level, but there could be 130 db striking =
your ear=20
of 1000 cycle transient spikes. They may only hit these levels for a =
few=20
milliseconds, but they can be very damaging to the =
ear.<BR><BR>Shakuhachi by=20
nature is going to create fairly balanced sound levels where a snare =
drum or=20
clapping or a gun shot can have tremendous mid range transient spikes. =
In=20
stereo equipment, the lower the quality of the equipment, the more it =
will hit=20
you with these very loud spikes. Rock concerts are monstrous. It's =
just=20
something to keep in mind when considering your exposure to sound. =
This is=20
just the 2 cents worth from an ex-sound engineer.<BR><BR>Head phones =
are=20
dangerous because sound pressure levels can get very high without your =
noticing after wearing them for a period of time. People tend to turn =
them up=20
as time goes on. I have to admit that I love listening to solo =
shakuhachi on=20
head phones. It's a perfect match of intimacy of =
instrument-performance and=20
intimacy of listening experience. We just need to be careful of the =
volume and=20
the great dynamic range of honkyoku playing. . . and perhaps not =
listen for=20
too long a time.<BR><BR>You could probably get some good input about =
tinnitus=20
without too much expense from an ENT doc. This may or may not have =
anything to=20
do with you music listening past.<BR><BR>Bill=20
Fletcher<BR>________________________________<BR><BR><BR>On Friday, =
January 24,=20
2003, at 10:01 AM, Herb Rodriguez wrote:<BR><BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE>I don't to caffeine and alcohol, so that can't be the =
situation=20
in my case. Maybe salt and sugar?<BR>anyway, I've not been to a =
doctor, so I=20
can't tell if my case is mild or severe. I just know its become more =
noticeable as time goes on.<BR><BR>I think, in my case, it may be a =
result=20
of years of listing to tapes with headphones on. Not that I have the =
audio=20
level on very loud, mind you. I don't like it loud. And this is a =
mixture of=20
relaxtion music and meditation tapes, so its not loud or thumping. =
But I=20
think just the sound waves and pressure being confined directly into =
the=20
ears via the headphones may be a factor. I think I heard Don =
Campbell=20
mentioning a theory on that. He (or at least I think it was he) =
doesn't feel=20
headphone use is healthy for the ears. (Now I find out!)<BR><BR>I =
remember=20
hearing in high school or early college that when the ears are =
subjected to=20
loud noises that cause ringing, the ringing will last as long as the =
time=20
the original noise lasted. IE, a 2 hr rock concert results in 2 hrs =
of=20
ringing. Well, in the early days I tried to notice that and =
sometimes I=20
thought that it was true. But you need relative quiet for the ears =
to=20
recover.<BR><BR>Now days, with the constant high level of everyday =
ambient=20
noise, eg. traffic, street construction, any other background noise, =
there=20
is never any quiet. So, if you're in a noisy environment for many =
years, do=20
you need the equivalent number of years of total quiet and silence =
to let=20
your ears recover?<BR><BR>Would wearing ear plugs on a regular basis =
help?<BR><BR>Herb<BR><BR>At 01/24/2003 07:47 AM, you wrote:<BR><BR>I =
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have=20
had low grade Tinnitus for many years - I probably caused damage to =
my ears=20
while in the army. Believe it or not I just got used to =
it. =20
After going to several Doctors the best advice I got was to minimize =
salt,=20
alcohol and caffeine in my diet. For some reason these feeds =
add to=20
the problem. <BR>People also tend to be most annoyed by the =
noise when=20
it is very quiet. So if you have trouble sleeping at night =
with it,=20
just put some soft music on in the background - it tends to =
drown it=20
out. Luckily, for me, it is barely noticable. I pity the =
soul=20
who gets a bad case of this - it must be maddening.<BR><BR>From: =
Herb=20
Rodriguez <Herb.Rodriguez@Colorado.edu><BR>Reply-To:=20
Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu<BR>To:=20
Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu<BR>Subject: Re: Ear =
Problems??<BR>Date:=20
Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:24:50 -0700<BR><BR>At 01/21/2003 03:58 PM, you=20
wrote:<BR><BR>though some people get some relief in various =
directions:=20
herbals, drugs, acupuncture, Tinnitus Retraining Therapy. Some =
people spend=20
a lot of money in a vain search for a cure or amelioration, while =
for some=20
lucky others, the tinnitus spotaneously vanishes, even after months =
or=20
years.<BR><BR>Good luck.<BR><BR>Windsor Viney Waterloo, Ontario,=20
Canada<BR><BR><BR>Thanks for your detailed reply. Can you explain =
more about=20
Tinnitus Retraining=20
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