Regarding the particle "no," it isn't just a posessive as I wrote
above--it can equal a number of different prepositions in English, and
is also used after certain adjectives, which is what I think is going
on here. Thus we say Kan no ro, not ro no kan, but we say u no
dai-meri, not dai-meri no u--so the note (u, ro) can come either before
or after the particle no. So I shouldn't have written that last comment
without more reflection, and it may well be incorrect, but u no san
just doesn't sound right to me. I've had very little formal training in
Japanese, but have spoken it daily for five years, so I go by what
sounds right to me, though I know that's pretty soft ground to stand
on. Perhaps a native speaker or fluent Japanese speaker could sort it
out for us. It only matters to me as it would be nice to have some more
uniformity in terminology, or at least a better understanding among
schools of each other's terminology. It's enough keeping Kinko/Tozan
notation straight, to say nothing of Chikuho!
Peter
--- Peter H <voxsonorus@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- Karl Signell <signell@cpcug.org> wrote:
>
> > Sounds like John Hilliard, who now teaches at James Mason
> University:
> > http://www.sai-national.org/phil/composers/jhilliar.html
>
> Must have been him.
>
> > >I for one have never heard of "u no san."
> >
> > Kinko terminology, since the original query referred to "Kinko
> > Honkyoku." So many different traditions are represented on this
> > list, I
> > should have said which tradition I was talking about.
>
> I also studied Kinko shakuhachi--from '89 to '92 though, so I may
> well
> have forgotten--with Kurahashi Yoshio, yet don't recall hearing him
> use
> that term. Even with the Kinko ryu you have various kai/sha etc so
> the
> terminology may vary. Being a stickler for such things I'm curious
> where you heard or read that. I ask because, grammatically, it
> doesn't
> really make sense. San no u--"u's san"--means the san type, so to
> speak, of u, in other words one variation of u. U no san would mean
> the
> u type of the third hole, which, to me at least, is nonsensical.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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