[Shaku] I stand corrected.

From: Robert McNeil (robertmcneil@mac.com)
Date: Tue Jul 27 2004 - 12:59:14 PDT

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Hi Peter,

So I guess my domain name, shakjock.com is out of the question?

Ouch,

Wow, interesting comments. I was just trying to illustrate how I sell value
- in this case to my wife. Just tying to have a bit of fun. Sorry if I am
dummying down the field.

Actually my use of the term "shak" is a term of endearment, like my jazz
friend who calls his saxophone, his axe, or my best friend who calls his
accordion, my "squeezebox." I tend to do that with some things I spend a lot
of time with and which mean much to me.

In my circle of friends, "shakuhachi" is a bit pretentious. I thought it
safe to say "shak" here. I also call it my 1.8 on occasion, but maybe now I
should look around the room first. Is it OK to call my pvc instrument a
shak? How about my Yuu?

One thing I have noticed about this list in the past is how hypercritical we
can be toward each other. Anyone want to try to go after that norm? Maybe
its just me but, the way we treat each other has prevented me from posting
in the past. One time I had a t-shirt that said "...nobody likes me because
I am paranoid." Anyone else ever feel that way?

Hey where is the humor on this list? Maybe we are all breathing our own air
too long. But thanks for the feedback.

Rob McNeil

On 7/27/04 12:28 PM, "Peter Ross" <peteross@cloudhandsmusic.com> wrote:

> Hey Rob,
>
> I don't have a problem with the ideas you express in your letter
> (below). I didn't read Brian's original letter, but it sounds like
> you're getting a lot from playing and studying the shakuhachi.
>
> I just wanted to point out that a lot of the players and teachers
> think it's really lame to say "shak" instead of "shakuhachi". It's
> real annoying in fact. It's not a shak; it's a shakuhachi. Just
> like you're teacher is a "sensei" and not a "sen" or a "sei". It's a
> type of "dumming" down of the tradition we all respect and love
> (obviously including you).
>
> Thought you and others might want to know this.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Peter
>
>> Hi Group,
>> I originally sent this only to Brian, but since I hear so often that
>> shak players can't afford our instrument. I thought I would post it
>> to the list. I hope you are not offended Brian.
>>
>> Hey Brian,
>>
>> Sometimes it's how you frame it. I have two fine shaks. Ronnie got them both
>> for me. My wife used to hold the same beliefs till we had a good talk about
>> it. My case:
>>
>> The Shak does nice things for me and for you, (honey)
>>
>> My blood pressure goes down when I play (documented) - a good thing.
>>
>> When I am finished playing - I am in a good mood - good for our
>> relationship.
>>
>> I become creative when I play and think of new business ideas - more revenue
>> another good thing (documented)
>>
>> When I travel, I take my flute - Instead of going to bars or watching TV, I
>> play, also good things.
>>
>> I play during breaks at corporate retreats e.g. Nike, Cigna, Pfizer etc. and
>> all my lessons are tax deductible (my shaks are as well.) A good thing.
>>
>> Because of my playing we have expanded our circle of friends, including
>> Ronnie and Yoshio, people we would never have met. More good!
>>
>> Our daughter takes an active interest in music, and plays her violin with
>> me. She travels with me to my lessons and camps, and its our father /
>> daughter "talk time - a very good thing.
>>
>> You have something to tease me about - squeaky sounds etc. (good for you).
>>
>> When I travel to lessons, you have your own time. I choose early Saturday
>> mornings so she can sleep in! And I am back in time for fun with the family.
>> Another good thing.
>>
>> The Shaks don't go down in value, and in fact they go up. Not true with some
>> of our other investments (don't go here if inappropriate!) (very good).
>>
>> When Yoshio comes and plays a concert, all your friends get to come and they
>> enjoy it and keep asking when he will return. Good for them and us.
>>
>> Because of a Yoshio concert, we raised enough money to demolish the old
>> Slaughterhouse where the teenagers used to do drugs, and you got to make the
>> dedication of the park speech! (a very good thing).
>>
>> Lastly, buying flutes and paying for lessons helps keep this instrument and
>> this wonderful music alive. If it weren't for us, an entire genre would
>> become extinct. We are all asked in many ways to support the arts by making
>> charitable contributions etc. Why not support the art by being part of the
>> art?
>>
>> Now that I think of it, Yoshio has a great 1.6 for sale hmmmm.
>>
>> Yu didn't ask for this but here is some unsolicited feedback. Never begin
>> your thoughts with the word "unfortunately." I find it causes me to give up
>> too quickly. You are not investing in an instrument, or a piece of bamboo,
>> you are investing in yourself, and making yourself better helps us all.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Rob McNeil
>

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Hi Peter, 
 
So I guess my domain name, shakjock.com is out of the question? 
 
Ouch, 
 
Wow, interesting comments. I was just trying to illustrate how I sell value=
 
- in this case to my wife. Just tying to have a bit of fun. Sorry if I am<B=
R>
dummying down the field. 
 
Actually my use of the term "shak" is a term of endearment, like =
my jazz 
friend who calls his saxophone, his axe, or my best friend who calls his<BR=
>
accordion, my "squeezebox." I tend to do that with some things I =
spend a lot 
of time with and which mean much to me. 
 
In my circle of friends, "shakuhachi" is a bit pretentious. I tho=
ught it 
safe to say "shak" here. I also call it my 1.8 on occasion, but m=
aybe now I 
should look around the room first. Is it OK to call my pvc instrument a 
shak? How about my Yuu? 
 
One thing I have noticed about this list in the past is how hypercritical w=
e 
can be toward each other. Anyone want to try to go after that norm? Maybe<B=
R>
its just me but, the way we treat each other has prevented me from posting<=
BR>
in the past. One time I had a t-shirt that said "...nobody likes me be=
cause 
I am paranoid." Anyone else ever feel that way? 
 
Hey where is the humor on this list? Maybe we are all breathing our own air=
 
too long. But thanks for the feedback. 
 
Rob McNeil 
 
 
On 7/27/04 12:28 PM, "Peter Ross" <pe=
teross@cloudhandsmusic.com> wrote: 
 
> Hey Rob, 
> 
>   I don't have a problem with the ideas you express in your =
 letter 
> (below).  I didn't read Brian's original letter, but it sounds li=
ke 
> you're getting a lot from playing and studying the shakuhachi. 
> 
> I just wanted to point out that a lot of the players and teachers 
> think it's really lame to say "shak"  instead of "=
shakuhachi".  It's 
> real annoying in fact.  It's not a shak; it's a shakuhachi. &nbsp=
;Just 
> like you're teacher is a "sensei" and not a "sen" =
or a "sei".  It's a 
> type of "dumming" down of the tradition we all respect and l=
ove 
> (obviously including you). 
> 
> Thought you and others might want to know this. 
> 
> Best regards, 
> 
> Peter 
> 
>> Hi Group, 
>> I originally sent this only to Brian, but since I hear so often th=
at 
>> shak players can't afford our instrument. I thought I would post i=
t 
>> to the list. I hope you are not offended Brian. 
>> 
>> Hey Brian, 
>> 
>> Sometimes it's how you frame it. I have two fine shaks. Ronnie got=
them both 
>> for me. My wife used to hold the same beliefs till we had a good t=
alk about 
>> it. My case: 
>> 
>> The Shak does nice things for me and for you, (honey) 
>> 
>> My blood pressure goes down when I play (documented) - a good thin=
g. 
>> 
>> When I am finished playing - I am in a good mood - good for our<BR=
>
>> relationship. 
>> 
>> I become creative when I play and think of new business ideas - mo=
re revenue 
>> another good thing (documented) 
>> 
>> When I travel, I take my flute - Instead of going to bars or watch=
ing TV, I 
>> play, also good things. 
>> 
>> I play during breaks at corporate retreats e.g. Nike, Cigna, Pfize=
r etc. and 
>> all my lessons are tax deductible (my shaks are as well.) A good t=
hing. 
>> 
>> Because of my playing we have expanded our circle of friends, incl=
uding 
>> Ronnie and Yoshio, people we would never have met. More good! 
>> 
>> Our daughter takes an active interest in music, and plays her viol=
in with 
>> me. She travels with me to my lessons and camps, and its our fathe=
r / 
>> daughter "talk time - a very good thing. 
>> 
>> You have something to tease me about - squeaky sounds etc. (good f=
or you). 
>> 
>> When I travel to lessons, you have your own time. I choose early S=
aturday 
>> mornings so she can sleep in! And I am back in time for fun with t=
he family. 
>> Another good thing. 
>> 
>> The Shaks don't go down in value, and in fact they go up. Not true=
with some 
>> of our other investments (don't go here if inappropriate!) (very g=
ood). 
>> 
>> When Yoshio comes and plays a concert, all your friends get to com=
e and they 
>> enjoy it and keep asking when he will return. Good for them and us=
. 
>> 
>> Because of a Yoshio concert, we raised enough money to demolish th=
e old 
>> Slaughterhouse where the teenagers used to do drugs, and you got t=
o make the 
>> dedication of the park speech! (a very good thing). 
>> 
>> Lastly, buying flutes and paying for lessons helps keep this instr=
ument and 
>> this wonderful music alive. If it weren't for us, an entire genre =
would 
>> become extinct. We are all asked in many ways to support the arts =
by making 
>> charitable contributions etc. Why not support the art by being par=
t of the 
>> art? 
>> 
>> Now that I think of it, Yoshio has a great 1.6 for sale hmmmm. 
>> 
>> Yu didn't ask for this but here is some unsolicited feedback. Neve=
r begin 
>> your thoughts with the word "unfortunately." I find it c=
auses me to give up 
>> too quickly. You are not investing in an instrument, or a piece of=
bamboo, 
>> you are investing in yourself, and making yourself better helps us=
all. 
>> 
>> Hope this helps. 
>> 
>> Rob McNeil 
> 

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