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I'm not talking about age.
If someone knows something, they learned it in their past. If someone =
learns something, they know it for their future. In between is "now" =
"the moment" and both sides of it are as important as each other.
It's not a question of lineage or ageism.
A teacher who demands first class for himself should also demand first =
class for his student. And vice versa.
Maybe this is a little difficult for some of you to accept and =
understand. But this is the way i see things.
If some of the people on this mailing list wish to put people on =
pedastals, call them national treasures and fall at their feet, then =
please go ahead. I will not.
Good night to all.
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Alan Sondheim=20
To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu=20
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Shaku] SHAKUHACHI FESTIVAL
Apologies, but this is a bit nonsense. Students are just as much the =
past=20
and teachers are just as much the future. Anything else is ageism. We =
all=20
have our own lives and burdens to bear without imposing lineage, Dogen =
or=20
no - Alan
On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, stan wrote:
> Students work extremely hard too.
>
> Why is it always about the teacher?
>
> Teachers are the past, students are the future. Neither is more=20
> important than the other to create "now".
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: edBeaty
> To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shaku] SHAKUHACHI FESTIVAL
>
>
> >More thoughts............
> >
> >Re; first calss travel, you want your guests to be in good energy, =
not
> >jet-lagged, tired, disoriented. They have more extensive demands =
to cater to
> >than the 'students'.
>
> And the teachers work remarkably hard at their teaching tasks. =
Please
> note: This is NOT a Zen retreat, but an intensive residential
> workshop. If you want a Zen retreat, it ain't there (not even a
> pretense of it...)
>
> >
> >You get what you pay for.
> >
> >If you don't pay for it there is a real chance you won't value it.
> >
> >These occassions are 'Special', not 'Everyday'.
> >
> >I have a gallery and once thought gallery owners did not earn the =
commission
> >they take on a sale, well I know this is not the case. A gallery =
owner has
> >many overheads, rent or purchasee of the space, electricity, =
rates, wages,
> >advertising, entertainment and years of promoting an artist and =
developing a
> >clientele.
> >a
> >Celebrate diversity, think how it might be otherwise.
>
> Here, here...
>
> eB
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<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>It's not a question of =
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<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>Good night to all.</DIV></FONT></EM>
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<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><BR>Apologies, but this is a bit nonsense. Students =
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2005, stan=20
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Why is it=20
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students are=20
the future. Neither is more <BR>> important than the other to =
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"now".<BR>><BR>> ----- Original Message =
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edBeaty<BR>> To: <A=20
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Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 9:55 PM<BR>> Subject: Re: =
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Please<BR>> =20
note: This is NOT a Zen retreat, but an intensive =
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a<BR>> =20
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><BR>> =20
>These occassions are 'Special', not 'Everyday'.<BR>> =20
><BR>> >I have a gallery and once thought gallery =
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a<BR>> >clientele.<BR>> >a<BR>> =
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