Re: [Shaku] length and tuning question

Hi Shigeru,

Thanks very much; that was really helpful and it explains what is on the
tuner (I think this is a standard tuner from the Fujimoto minyo school)
and why, as Riley also mentioned, I should just ignore that. I was in
fact, ignoring it but was curious about why it was listed that way which
you explained, and what connection it had with makers conventions (which
Justin explained). Thanks again,

-- Karl
> Hi Karl,
>
> It occurs due to the difference of Seisun($B@5@#(B, correct length) and Seiritsu($B@5N'(B, correct pitch)
> of which ways are expressed for various length of shakuhachi.
>
> The 2.4($B#2<\#4@#(B, Nishaku Yonsun) is the Seisun expression of an A pipe in general.
> The G#/2.4 you refer to is the Seiritsu expression but this is not general in this case.
> It seems the chromatic tuner indicates the Seiritsu expression.
>
> When playing with the Shamisen player, I recommend you to ignore those names
> and use pitch names such as D, C, G, if he/she understands that to avoid the confusion.
>
> I wish this response is helpful for you.
>
> Shigeru
>
>
> * I hope readers of this message can use JIS-Japanese encode.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Karl Young" <karlshak@sonic.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 3:44 AM
> To: <Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu>; <sfbayshakuhachi@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [Shaku] length and tuning question
>
>
> I wanted to float a question about makers conventions for flute length
> and pitch and see if anyone had any thoughts.
>
> I've been playing with some shamisen players and singers lately and I
> use different size flutes based on the tuning they use (and since I
> don't have 12 flutes they sometimes adjust a little to me as well). I
> can usually play up a fifth which based on the scale just means having
> an extra meri note (usually tsu chu meri) so we can usually accommodate
> each other with the flutes I have.
>
> But one of the shamisen players recently showed me his tuner and it was
> interesting that the tuner not only listed the western pitch but the
> matching shakuhachi length. Most of the lengths/pitches corresponded to
> what I expected, e.g. a 1.8 was associated with D. The list of pitches
> on the tuner went through an octave from G#/1.2 to an octave lower
> G#/2.4. The lower end confused me because most of the 2.4's I've tried,
> including mine, are "A flutes". I realize that there's no necessary
> relation between Japanese length units and equal tempered half steps but
> the makers seemed to have found a way to make flutes whose fundamental
> is close to a standard 440 based western pitch (I know, I know Monty,
> specify at what temperature ! :-)), presumably by adjusting the length a
> little. And I also understand that the relationship between pitch and
> length diverges more with longer flutes.
>
> It seems that between 1.5 and 2.0 most of the flutes I've seen do
> correspond pretty well to standard western pitches moving in half steps
> from F down to C. So after all that (whew, what a long winded jerk !) my
> question is, given the shamisen tuner specs. that I mentioned, is there
> a standard makers convention for fundamental pitches all the way down to
> 2.4 ? If so which of 2.1, 2.2, 2.3 is typically a B or B flat flute
> (given that 2.4's are usually A flutes) ? I.e. if the convention is for
> 2.4's to be A flutes (as opposed to what is listed on the tuner), and
> 2.0's to be C flutes (as seems to be the case) there are three lengths
> for covering 2 pitches in between those.
>
> Thanks for any thoughts,
>
> -- Karl Young
>
>
> --------------------------------------
> 2010 FIFA World Cup News [Yahoo!Sports/sportsnavi]
> http://pr.mail.yahoo.co.jp/southafrica2010/
> _____________________________________________
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe, send an email to
> owner-shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>
>
>

_____________________________________________

To subscribe or unsubscribe, send an email to
owner-shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
Received on Wed Jun 23 10:03:21 2010