Thanks for your reply, Dan, but I think you misread my question of "Does
anyone know when most _players_ stopped making ji-ari shakuhachi?"
My main inquiry was to ascertain whether this could have been made by Sakai
Chikuho at all - whether he made flutes or not since many players now are
purely focused on playing. I also specified ji-ari since I know of some
players today making hochikus (sp?).
From what I understand of hanko on the flute, the more hanko, the higer the
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maker thought of them - except now it seems common to use two stamps on
flutes that have a netsuke joint. I did see a Miura Ryuho flute this year
with 3 stamps on it - the third being at the bottom of the bell. The
placement on this flute would make sense since it was a nobekan - a one
piece flute.
I'm also aware of the lineage names - but what I'm curious about is with
full names. Uesugi Kenshin, a lord of Echigo (sp?) was not born of the
Uesugi family but was given the name as a sucessor to that position. A
current maker, Tadasuke, was also given this name by Kawase Junsuke III -
apparently Junsuke III's birth name (I think - I only heard this from
secondary sources).
In the end, I'm curious as to whether there could have been anyone else
other than those of Sakai Chikuho's kai to be using this name - probably not
- but I wanted someone with enough knowledge to confirm.
Ebay is a really shifty place to do business with anything expensive - I'm
not sure if I would trust this listing as most (not all) shakuhachi sellers
on eBay claims ignorance of shakuhachi or profess their product's wonderful
tone and sound.
Then again, this could have been the real thing - either way, it'll cost a
lot more than a few hundred dollars to repair a crack that's made it through
to the bore...
...but then again, if it was the real thing, at the very least one would
have a historical artifact.
Duke.
>From: ribbled@med.kochi-ms.ac.jp
>Reply-To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>To: shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
>Subject: Chikuho?
>Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 11:28:32 +0900
>
>
>Hi Duke,
>
>You asked "Does anyone know when most players stopped making Ji-ari
>shakuhachi ? I know
>some still do today but I assume most do not."
>
> Most shakuhachi makers have not stopped making ji-ari flutes; ji-ari
>shakuhachis are the flutes that are usually made here in Japan; ji refers
>to the lacquer/tonoko mix, ari is from the Japanese verb aru - to have, so
>ji-ari flutes are those flutes that are coated on the inside with lacquer
>or urushi. Perhaps you meant to say ji-nashi shakuhachi, flutes without
>ji, or lacquer, which recently seem to have become popular but which are
>still fairly uncommon compared with the ji-ari flutes.
>
>
>"I'm wondering if Sakai Chikuho I or II could have made this - or was there
>another maker with a similar name?"
>
> I'm sure someone is probably familiar with their hanko seals or their
>flutes, and perhaps could tell from the photos; the kanji does read as
>Chikuho. It seems a bit unusual that the flute was marked with a hanko on
>the underside of its root end...I don't think that many makers stamp their
>flutes there.. Then again, I haven't seen that many flutes compared with
>some members on this list -- maybe the stamp on the base is not so unusual?
>
>
>"I know famous names are sometimes given to others (from the owners) in
>Japan, is it still the case today?"
>
>Shakuhachi masters give a name to their students when their students take
>the jun-shihan or shihan license, but usually just one kanji is given from
>the master's name -- in the branch of Kinko ryu that I belong to, all
>players at shihan level are given a two kanji name with the last kanji
>having the reading dou, from our iemoto Fuji Jidou's name. Sakai Chikuho
>I or II may have given part of his name to his master students, but not his
>whole name, so the shakuhachi would probably not be that of one of his
>students, though perhaps there were other Chikuhos... I think there are
>some lineage charts at www.komuso.com -- perhaps you could find some
>information there...that, or find a player who was/is in Chikuho ryu.
>
>
>Cheers,
>
>Dan Ribble
>Kochi, Japan
>
>
>
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