Everything being said here is cool, but I just wanna
go to a freaking shakuhachi festival and will
volunteer...... you know, give my body up for a set
period of time to do things for other people so I can
be at a shakuhachi festival and meet some of you
goons...... ha ha, just kidding about the goons
parts.....And I still don't see why it must be so
figgin expensive. I'm not sellin my 500 dollar car to
attend....
--- Frederick Court <fwrcourt@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> This is an interesting conversation. A bit of a
> response. About point of view, Zen, culture and
> teachers/students. I've been reading this list for
> months and haven't said much but enjoy the
> interaction.
>
> There is "THE" room. The room is reality. Everyone
> is
> sitting in the room and have their point of view
> (angle). All views are valid, as from each
> individuals
> vantage point, they see the part of the room ,that
> they see.One cannot do otherwise unless...
> No one individual sees the whole room. To see (and
> be)
> the whole room is to be enlightened. (To lose
> subject
> (self) and room (object).
> ie. to lose sense of seperate self
>
> But we do what we do.
>
> Zen, well, Zen is not really about "point of view".
> It is about letting that all go.Whether you got a
> full
> wallet or a less full wallet. Once one sees how
> difficult it is to let go of "point of view" it
> certainly humbles one and one definetely finds the
> need to find a master.
> It is a rare being who does not need teachers of
> anything. But especially Zen.
> Point of view IS ego/self.
> And yes, Zen, is very Japanese.3 years in a Tokyo
> Dojo
> taught that.
> Bodhiharma went to China a long time ago and much
> of
> Zen Shu has veered away from original teachings and
> practice.
> It exists here and there but it is rare.
> So if one is interested in Zen then find a teacher.
> (Dogen Zenji > drop mind , drop body > has nothing
> to
> do with Shakuhachi as such...it has to do with
> Shikantaza > ZAZEN)
> You cannot sit Zen and play Shakuhachi at the same
> time.
> (I am not being facetious)
> Shakuhachi Zen is a type of Zen that has little to
> do
> with most Zen. ie. Rinzai Shu, Soto Shu, Obaku Shu.
> That is why Shakuhachi it is almost never mentioned.
> In fact I would be very interested to know of any
> reference to Shakuhachi in the Soto and Rinzai Zen
> traditions.
> Shakuhachi relationship with Zen was obviously a
> development long after these traditions were
> established.
>
>
> That said. Zen practice allows the integration of
> any human act. It simply depends how you identify
> with
> the act. I am not acquainted yet with the Zen of
> Shakuhachi but certainly will explore it.
> Fuke? Meian? Just learning about these terms.
>
>
> I have no problem and am not creating argument.
> (or am I?)
> Just saying that "Zen" is a word that is spoken
> quickly but it is better to get down to hard study
> and
> practice if you want to use that word. Find a
> teacher
> in a lineage from Rinzai or Soto Shu or traces of
> other schools that exixt (ie. Obaku) (or if you can
> for Shakuhachi other schools). Zen was created
> through
> these lineages.
> To deny that is ....
>
> Funny thing in saying these words I am not a Zennist
> anymore.Was involved in some strong practice for
> some
> years. But ...great respect for purity in those
> traditions. Dogen, Hakuin,Ikkyu, wow! To mention a
> few
> great teachers.
>
> One point of view: there is nothing at all wrong
> with
> a teacher charging whatever he/she wishes to.
> Another point of view: there is nothing at all wrong
> with a teacher charging nothing.
>
> Neither view is wrong. It is simply a different
> point
> of view. A different action based on a different
> life
> circumstance and action and therefore point of view.
>
> There are chaep festivals and expensive festivals.
> No point getting irritated about it.
>
> It is good to read the good hearted communications
> here.
>
> There is an understanding of culture that comments
> on
> "water culture" and "fire culture".
> Water culture is a type of culture that supports
> the renunciate (such as a sadhu in India) or
> supports
> one being able to pick an apple to eat off a tree
> somewhere without having to ask who owns it. Water
> cultures are dissappearing VERY quickly. Even in
> India
> now step by step quickly and definetely
> dissappearing
> in Japan. Just to mention two places with named
> boundaries.
>
> Fire culture is the predominant situation in the
> world
> now. A culture where renunciation has little place
> unless it is supported by others who
> support it monetarily. Money is necessary for
> existence in the modern world. Of course there are
> degrees of need and use. However it is obvious that
> everything is becoming a commodity very fast. Even
> fresh water is becoming more and more an expense. So
> yes, one can still have a renunciate disposition but
> it is getting harder.
>
> It seems to me that if one cannot afford a
> particular
> event then don't go to it. Find an alternative. Or
> request some arrangement. Your energy given doing
> something to support the event and then a return of
> some reduction (if that is possible, it may not be
> ).
>
> If one cannot afford anything at all then one should
> be thankful for what one receives by grace. I have
> when in that situation in life.
> The renunciate does not quibble about prices.
> The renunciate is thankful for what falls in his
> bowl.
> I am not a renunciate. But certainly in a process of
> understanding what that action is,in the contaxt of
> a
> fire culture that is only going to get stronger.
>
> Money is an energy. It is not evil in and of itself.
> It is a tangible symbol of physical energy expended.
> It can be created and expended through good acts or
> bad acts.
>
> Well this is a benign list of people it seems.
> Living in a fire culture with multivarious different
> points of view and life circumstances.
>
> I just had a great lesson with a teacher.
> Wow! And re the value of students well I feel like
> giving good results of practice to him now.
> It is a mutual type of sacrifice of energy.
>
> Anyway, just some points I felt like writing.
> Because I have been reading these emails.
>
> Just a note Jason. This is a part of my "point of
> view". Your relationship with your first teacher
> sounds very sweet. Tokyo University (Todai) is the
> most prestigious university in Japan.
> Your teacher was in a situation to give when he met
> you. He would have studied and worked his ass off to
> get to that position and he would have been
> recompensed mightily for it in monetary terms at
> Todai.I assure you. Obviously he had a good heart.
> He
> made his decision in particular situation. He was in
> a
> position to give what he gave. (a $30,000 flute,
> wow,)
> > he must be in a position to offer his energy
> without
> too much other distraction from the sometimes
> frustrations of living in the modern fire culture
> world)
> And you too obviously are in a particular situation.
> A
> situation you have created. And you give what you
> can
> give. I have no problem with your comments. Just
> felt
> to make a comment about the situation.
>
>
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