I really did mean it as a concern. Everyone knows
that exercise and eating right leads to a better life
and longer life expectancy. And my mom is really
overweight, I tell her the same....... Why do you
think I am trying to be insulting......... Anyways,
This whole convewrsation started with me trying to
find a way to attend a shakuhachi festival and not
being able to afford it. I offered to volunteer my
services....not expecting a handout. I think I dont
wanna be on this list anymore because people here
can't listen, and help people in need......But on the
other hand I love my flutes so much and wanna be on
the list to see what will happen with the world of
shakuhachi to the english speakers....
jason
--- Eitan Rosa <eitanshalomi@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm sure you do, Jason. I usually don't post
> messages to this list but this is just too much, so
> I feel the need to speak up, even though I really
> don't have the time right now. I'll try to be brief
> and elaborate when I return home.
>
> I feel that the main issue here is a gigantic sense
> of entitlement. The world doesn't revolve or need to
> give away for free anything to you, me or anybody
> else. Where there's a will there's a way, and after
> studying with Ronnie for almost three years while
> going thru serious financial hardship at the same
> time, I can't stress enough how grateful I am to
> Ronnie for going out of his way to make sure I
> continue my studies. Several times I felt like
> quitting and Ronnie encouraged me to continue and
> eventually find a way to work things out.In case you
> are wondering, this does not mean I'm studying for
> free, but over the years we have being able to work
> things out by working at his property (a wonderful
> piece of woodland and wetland in upstate New York
> that they are committed to keep as a reserve),
> making dozens of PVC flutes and several other means,
> including money!
>
> I'm even more grateful to him because in this way I
> still pay my dues, it's more dignified than just
> getting charity, and I even learn additional skills
> (like shakuhachi repair). To portray such a
> committed teacher as someone just driven by greed is
> plain wrong. And by the way, being that shakuhachi
> teaching is his full time job, how do you think he
> can make a living in NYC without charging? Keep in
> mind that he sets a kind of "for life" fee; as long
> as you continue your studies, your rate will remain
> the same. I know long time students that pay a
> fraction of the amount you mentioned.
>
> Finally, that comment about dieting was simply
> disrespectful and out of line, even though you tried
> to "sugar coat" it by disguising it as concern, I
> don't buy your "concert". And in any case, I feel it
> was insulting and this kind of commnet should have
> no place in this list, nor for the people that
> produce them.
>
> I hope that in the future we abstain from such
> comments, people dealing with weight control or
> other physical issue have enough to deal with
> everyday hae people bash them here too.
>
> Hector Rosa
>
>
> JASON CASTNER <jchanwagenki@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I value things more that I dont pay for
>
>
> --- edBeaty wrote:
> > >More thoughts............
> > >
> > >Re; first calss travel, you want your guests to
> be
> > in good energy, not
> > >jet-lagged, tired, disoriented. They have more
> > extensive demands to cater to
> > >than the 'students'.
> >
> > And the teachers work remarkably hard at their
> > teaching tasks. Please
> > note: This is NOT a Zen retreat, but an intensive
> > residential
> > workshop. If you want a Zen retreat, it ain't
> there
> > (not even a
> > pretense of it...)
> >
> > >
> > >You get what you pay for.
> > >
> > >If you don't pay for it there is a real chance
> you
> > won't value it.
> > >
> > >These occassions are 'Special', not 'Everyday'.
> > >
> > >I have a gallery and once thought gallery owners
> > did not earn the commission
> > >they take on a sale, well I know this is not the
> > case. A gallery owner has
> > >many overheads, rent or purchasee of the space,
> > electricity, rates, wages,
> > >advertising, entertainment and years of promoting
> > an artist and developing a
> > >clientele.
> > >a
> > >Celebrate diversity, think how it might be
> > otherwise.
> >
> > Here, here...
> >
> > eB
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