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Hi Stav
A little about the didgeridoo...
The top makers of yidaki in Arnhem Land have spent a life time learning =
to make these instruments and to play them properly from knowledge built =
up and passed down over thousands of years.
Admittedly there are contemporary players and makers out there, but even =
to be reasonably good at that takes about 10 years of solid work. My =
friend makes some of the best didges in Europe, he's been at it over 12 =
years and will be the first to admit that he is still learning and still =
has many things to learn.
Many people think the didge is an easy instrument, but taken to it's =
traditional form in the yidaki and North East Arnhem Land styles of =
playing it, it is just as difficult and pain staking as the shakuhachi. =
It takes years to acheive a good basic drone in traditional styles. The =
tonguing and intonation used in trad is unbelievably complex. Over 99% =
of didge players do not even bother to attempt traditional playing =
because of its difficulty.
Even in contemporary playing, i know of no one who has played less than =
ten years that can actually play the instrument to a decent standard.
So i do feel that there are many comparisons between shakuhachi, =
didgeridoo, and many other instruments. All instruments taken to their =
limits are incredibly difficult, especially in traditional styles of =
playing.
All the best
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Stav Tapuch=20
To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu=20
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:09 PM
Subject: [Shaku] E-mail # 85 in 30 hours...
This is such a wonderfully intresting and tragically wasteful exchange =
of=20
e-mails that I just can not resist the urge to write something despite =
my=20
better angels telling me not to...
A few points:
1- Yes, once again I am just amazed with my jaw open and my eyes =
popping:=20
how and why is a shakuhachi list-serve so consistently the source of =
so much=20
anger and discord? It is the most bizarre and strangest thing. If the =
emotions weren't so real and the insults flying so really painful it =
would=20
be hysterical. I am just speachless.
2- I actually read the entire string of e-mails at work. I should be =
fired.=20
I am filled with shame.
3- I understand Jason's frustration with the $ thing. Shakuhachi =
study is=20
not cheap. The instrument is expensive, and it is simply not the kind =
of=20
instrument you can learn on your own. You need a teacher. And =
teacher's=20
need to study for many years to become actually knowledgable about the =
music=20
and instrument. The sad reality is that formal shakuhachi studies, =
nowadays=20
at least, is a bourgeous past-time for people with a large amount of=20
disposable income. But this is not the fault of anyone around. The =
only=20
thing you can blame is the shakuhachi itself for being so damn hard to =
make=20
well, and for having music notation so damn nutty that you need an=20
experienced and professionaly trained teacher to explain it to you. =
Also,=20
any instrument that requires at least two years of initial huffing and =
puffing with little or no worthwhile musical output is clearly only =
going to=20
be the instrument of choice of people with a lot of spare time on =
their=20
hands. (In other words: people who aren't working around the clock to =
support their families.)
Didigeridoo, on the other hand, is cheap. You really do not need a =
teacher.=20
I don't even think it has musical notation. And it doesn't make 20 =
+=20
years of didgeridoo making experience to make a top quality =
instrument. So I=20
could see why someone taking up both of these instruments would react =
with a=20
large degree of indignation at the economics of the shakuhachi world.
4- Important general warning: You can not just make casual comments =
about=20
anyone or anything on this list concerning the shakuhachi world =
without=20
realizing that anything you write about anyone will be read very soon =
about=20
the person in question. We are a very small community and this =
list-serve=20
is not some private channel of intimate conversation - rather it is a =
very=20
loud public speaker system that blasts your message right into the =
living=20
room of every single english speaking shakuhachi player on the planet. =
(And=20
let me tell you: I have learned this lesson the hard way...one =
particularly=20
stupid incident still sends horrible spasms of guilt and shame =
throughout my=20
body, oy! If there was only an un-send button!)
5- Yeah, I love Perry too.
6- I also really appreciate Ronnie. The shakuhachi festival was like =
a=20
crazy alternative shakuhahci reality dreamland fantasy come true. It =
was=20
not cheap to attend, but, for me, it was worth every single dollar.
Sorry to send e-mail # 85 in 30 hours... Hey, is this a new record for =
the=20
list?
_____________________________________________
List subscription information is at:
http://communication.ucsd.edu/shaku/listsub.html
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<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>Hi Stav</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>A little about the=20
didgeridoo...</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>The top makers of yidaki =
in Arnhem=20
Land have spent a life time learning to make these instruments and to =
play them=20
properly from knowledge built up and passed down over thousands of=20
years.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>Admittedly there are =
contemporary=20
players and makers out there, but even to be reasonably good at that =
takes about=20
10 years of solid work. My friend makes some of the best didges in =
Europe,=20
he's been at it over 12 years and will be the first to admit that he is =
still=20
learning and still has many things to learn.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>Many people think the =
didge is an=20
easy instrument, but taken to it's traditional form in the yidaki and =
North East=20
Arnhem Land styles of playing it, it is just as difficult and pain =
staking as=20
the shakuhachi. It takes years to acheive a good =
basic drone in=20
traditional styles. The tonguing and intonation used in trad is=20
unbelievably complex. Over 99% of didge players do not even bother =
to=20
attempt traditional playing because of its difficulty.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>Even in contemporary =
playing, i know=20
of no one who has played less than ten years that can actually play the=20
instrument to a decent standard.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>So i do feel that there =
are many=20
comparisons between shakuhachi, didgeridoo, and many other =
instruments. =20
All instruments taken to their limits are incredibly difficult, =
especially in=20
traditional styles of playing.</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=3D"Comic Sans MS" size=3D4>All the =
best</FONT></EM></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV=20
style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
<A title=3Dtapuch@hotmail.com href=3D"mailto:tapuch@hotmail.com">Stav =
Tapuch</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
title=3DShakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu=20
=
href=3D"mailto:Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu">Shakuhachi@communicatio=
n.ucsd.edu</A>=20
</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 11, 2005 =
10:09=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Shaku] E-mail # 85 in =
30=20
hours...</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV><BR><BR>This is such a wonderfully intresting and =
tragically=20
wasteful exchange of <BR>e-mails that I just can not resist the urge =
to write=20
something despite my <BR>better angels telling me not to...<BR><BR>A =
few=20
points:<BR><BR>1- Yes, once again I am just amazed with my jaw open =
and my=20
eyes popping: <BR>how and why is a shakuhachi list-serve so =
consistently the=20
source of so much <BR>anger and discord? It is the most bizarre and =
strangest=20
thing. If the <BR>emotions weren't so real and the insults =
flying so=20
really painful it would <BR>be hysterical. I am just=20
speachless.<BR><BR>2- I actually read the entire string of e-mails at=20
work. I should be fired. <BR>I am filled with shame.<BR><BR>3- I =
understand Jason's frustration with the $ thing. Shakuhachi =
study is=20
<BR>not cheap. The instrument is expensive, and it is simply not =
the=20
kind of <BR>instrument you can learn on your own. You need a=20
teacher. And teacher's <BR>need to study for many years to =
become=20
actually knowledgable about the music <BR>and instrument. The =
sad=20
reality is that formal shakuhachi studies, nowadays <BR>at least, is a =
bourgeous past-time for people with a large amount of <BR>disposable=20
income. But this is not the fault of anyone around. The =
only=20
<BR>thing you can blame is the shakuhachi itself for being so damn =
hard to=20
make <BR>well, and for having music notation so damn nutty that =
you need=20
an <BR>experienced and professionaly trained teacher to explain it to =
you.=20
Also, <BR>any instrument that requires at least two years of initial =
huffing=20
and <BR>puffing with little or no worthwhile musical output is clearly =
only=20
going to <BR>be the instrument of choice of people with a lot of spare =
time on=20
their <BR>hands. (In other words: people who aren't working =
around the=20
clock to <BR>support their families.)<BR><BR>Didigeridoo, on the other =
hand,=20
is cheap. You really do not need a teacher. <BR> I don't =
even=20
think it has musical notation. And it doesn't make 20 + =
<BR>years of=20
didgeridoo making experience to make a top quality instrument. So I =
<BR>could=20
see why someone taking up both of these instruments would react with a =
<BR>large degree of indignation at the economics of the shakuhachi=20
world.<BR><BR>4- Important general warning: You can not just =
make casual=20
comments about <BR>anyone or anything on this list concerning the =
shakuhachi=20
world without <BR>realizing that anything you write about anyone will =
be read=20
very soon about <BR>the person in question. We are a very small=20
community and this list-serve <BR>is not some private channel of =
intimate=20
conversation - rather it is a very <BR>loud public speaker system that =
blasts=20
your message right into the living <BR>room of every single english =
speaking=20
shakuhachi player on the planet. (And <BR>let me tell you: I have =
learned this=20
lesson the hard way...one particularly <BR>stupid incident still sends =
horrible spasms of guilt and shame throughout my <BR>body, oy! If =
there was=20
only an un-send button!)<BR><BR>5- Yeah, I love Perry too.<BR><BR>6- I =
also=20
really appreciate Ronnie. The shakuhachi festival was like a =
<BR>crazy=20
alternative shakuhahci reality dreamland fantasy come true. It =
was=20
<BR>not cheap to attend, but, for me, it was worth every single=20
dollar.<BR><BR>Sorry to send e-mail # 85 in 30 hours... Hey, is this a =
new=20
record for the=20
=
<BR>list?<BR><BR><BR>_____________________________________________<BR><BR=
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