RE: [Shaku] Help in Understanding

From: Dan Gutwein (dangutwein@comcast.net)
Date: Thu Jan 06 2005 - 13:06:36 PST


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Kyosei,
 
I do meditation in the morning with an old shakuhachi and I just blow RO
with no attention paid to being a good player or performing a particular
piece correctly. However, in the evening I also "practice" my other
shakuhachi as I would practice any other classical instrument. Question
no. 1: Are you saying that my evening practice and my morning practice
are spiritually at war with each other? Question no. 2: If they are,
isn't it still a good thing to do the morning meditation?
 
Dan
http://www.dangutwein.com <http://www.dangutwein.com/>
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: KYOSEI1@aol.com [mailto:KYOSEI1@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 9:06 PM
To: shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
Subject: [Shaku] Help in Understanding
 
I've just read 10 e-mails about Bodhichitta and all missed the target,
although some did touch on it. It isn't something you can be shown or
taught, it isn't an intellectually discernable thing. Bodhi mind
develops as your Buddhist practice matures, usually after much
meditation and head banging with a good teacher.
 
You meditate because you meditate, you play the flute because you play
the flute. Don't play games with your head, don't try to "figure it out"
just do it. No goals, no picking and choosing.
 
The Shakuhachi is a liturgical instrument, a part of Zen Buddhism,
approach it as a spiritual practice or approach it as an instrument to
be learned and mastered. You can't do both.
 
For those that don't know me, I'm a Soto Zen Buddhist and a student of
Ronnie Seldin.
 
In Gassho,
 
Kyosei

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attention paid
to being a good player or performing a particular piece correctly.<span
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&#8220;practice&#8221;
my other <span class=3DSpellE>shakuhachi</span> as I would practice any =
other
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</span>Question no.
1:<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Are you saying that my =
evening
practice and my morning practice are spiritually at war with each =
other?<span
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
KYOSEI1@aol.com
[mailto:KYOSEI1@aol.com] <br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, January =
05, 2005
9:06 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [Shaku] Help in
Understanding</span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span =
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just read 10 e-mails about Bodhichitta and all missed the target,
although&nbsp;some did touch on it. It isn't something you can be shown =
or
taught, it isn't an intellectually discernable thing. Bodhi mind
develops&nbsp;as your Buddhist practice matures,&nbsp;usually after much
meditation and head banging with a good teacher. =
<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>You
meditate because you meditate, you play the flute because you play the =
flute.
Don't play games with your head, don't try to &quot;figure it out&quot; =
just do
it. No goals, no picking and choosing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>The
Shakuhachi is a liturgical instrument, a part of Zen Buddhism, approach =
it as a
spiritual practice or approach it as an instrument to be learned and =
mastered.
You can't do both.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Ronnie
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