Re: [Shaku] Re: Help in Understanding

From: John Stromnes (pinewind@centurytel.net)
Date: Thu Jan 06 2005 - 13:23:04 PST

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Dear Dan:
As my (Rinzai) zen master used to say, when these kinds of discussions
arose: ''Too much thinking! Just doing!''
Breath in peace,
John

From: "Dan Gutwein" <dangutwein@comcast.net>
Reply-To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:06:36 -0500
To: <Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu>
Subject: RE: [Shaku] Re: Help in Understanding

Hi all,=20

=20

This is so important to me --- Thank you all for such a good dialogue.

=20

I=B9ve been separating my meditation (with Shakuhachi) from my practice of th=
e
instrument with the goal of playing it better. Kyosei, of all the Zen
Buddhist traditions =AD I am most attracted to Soto, so I am quite interested
in your response to this. Do you think this separation of practices is
necessary? Trying to put it clearer, do you think that it is possible to
meditate with =B3big mind=B2 (a beginner=B9s mind) and still concentrate on
playing a honkyoku, any other piece, or simply a difficult high note =B3well=B2=
?

=20

Dan=20

http://www.dangutwein.com <http://www.dangutwein.com/>

=20

-----Original Message-----
From: KYOSEI1@aol.com [mailto:KYOSEI1@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:35 PM
To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
Subject: Re: [Shaku] Re: Help in Understanding

=20
Happy New Year Riley,

Keep up the good work for at least another 35 years.

Let me try to make myself clearer, anything that is practice (kai) is
reaching for perfection without that perfection being a goal, what is
important is the process of reaching. If the Shakuhachi is part of Zen
liturgical practice then the process of reaching for perfection in playing
is what that practice is.
=20
The question of what is perfection or what is reaching becomes the question
to be answered. The practice is alive within you and the answers are found
in Zazen. If the instrument is not part of Zen liturgical practice then it
is an instrument to be played and mastered.
=20
In Gassho=20
=20
Kyosei=20

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Dear Dan: 
As my (Rinzai) zen master used to say, when these kinds of discussions aros=
e: ''Too much thinking! Just doing!'' 
Breath in peace, 
John 
 
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From: "Dan Gutwein" <dangutwein@comcast.net> 
Reply-To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu 
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 16:06:36 -0500 
To: <Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu> 
Subject: RE: [Shaku] Re: Help in Understanding 
 
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<BLOCKQUOTE>Hi all, 
 
 
 
This is so important to me --- Thank you =
all for such a good dialogue. 
 
 
 
I=B9ve been separating my meditation (with =
Shakuhachi) from my practice of the instrument with the goal of playing it b=
etter.  Kyosei, of all the Zen Buddhist traditions =AD I am most attracte=
d to Soto, so I am quite interested in your response to this. Do you think t=
his separation of practices is necessary?  Trying to put it clearer, do=
you think that it is possible to meditate with =B3big mind=B2 (a beginner=B9s min=
d) and still concentrate on playing a honkyoku, any other piece, or simply a=
difficult high note =B3well=B2? 
 
 
 
Dan 
 
http://www.dangutwein.com <http://www.=
dangutwein.com/> 
 
 
 
 
 
-----Original Message----- 
From: KYOSEI1@aol.com [mailto:KYOSEI1@aol.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 12:35 PM 
To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu 
Subject: Re: [Shaku] Re: Help in Understanding 
 
 
Happy New Year Riley, 
 
Keep up the good work for at least another 35 years. 
 
Let me try to make myself clearer, anything that is practice (kai) is reach=
ing for perfection without that perfection being a goal, what is important i=
s the process of reaching. If the Shakuhachi is part of Zen liturgical pract=
ice then the process of reaching for perfection in playing is what that prac=
tice is. 
 
The question of what is perfection or what is reaching becomes the question=
to be answered. The practice is alive within you and the answers are found =
in Zazen. If the instrument is not part of Zen liturgical practice then it i=
s an instrument to be played and mastered. 
 
In Gassho 
 
Kyosei 
 
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