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I think the practices of Komus=F4 are being thrown around in this=20
discussion without much basis in fact. Some Komus=F4 may well have been=20=
deeply spiritual and "enlightened," with only the good of all sentient=20=
beings on their minds as they went their rounds in medieval and early=20
modern Japan. There are plenty of documents, however, to show that=20
many other Komus=F4 were thugs who extorted offerings from their=20
""patrons." It obscures the point of the discussion when we idealize=20
shakuhachi players from the past in an effort to bolster our arguments=20=
about teaching and learning. If those arguments are solid, they don't=20=
need imaginary figures from the past to make sense.
Tom Hare
On Mar 11, 2005, at 10:34 AM, stan wrote:
> As do i.=A0 A gift is always worth more than something that has to be=20=
> bought.
> =A0
> The problem is that many people these days see only money as the true=20=
> value of everything.=A0 This is sad, very sad.
> =A0
> We can change the world to make a better place through our music, but=20=
> only if we are going to get away from the capitalist consumerist=20
> culture that pervades everything.
> =A0
> The Komuso played their flutes freely.=A0 People accepted that gift =
and=20
> gave alms freely according to their own abilities.=A0 The Komuso=20
> accepted the gift and continued to give more.
> =A0
> Maybe we can learn something here.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: JASON CASTNER
> To: Shakuhachi@communication.ucsd.edu
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 3:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Shaku] SHAKUHACHI FESTIVAL
>
> I value things more that I dont pay for
>
>
> --- edBeaty <edosano@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >More thoughts............
> > >
> > >Re; first calss travel, you want your guests to be
> > in good energy, not
> > >jet-lagged, tired, disoriented. They have more
> > extensive demands to cater to
> > >than the 'students'.
> >
> > And the teachers work remarkably hard at their
> > teaching tasks. Please
> > note: This is NOT a Zen retreat, but an intensive
> > residential
> > workshop. If you want a Zen retreat, it ain't there
> > (not even a
> > pretense of it...)
> >
> > >
> > >You get what you pay for.
> > >
> > >If you don't pay for it there is a real chance you
> > won't value it.
> > >
> > >These occassions are 'Special', not 'Everyday'.
> > >
> > >I have a gallery and once thought gallery owners
> > did not earn the commission
> > >they take on a sale, well I know this is not the
> > case. A gallery owner has
> > >many overheads, rent or purchasee of the space,
> > electricity, rates, wages,
> > >advertising, entertainment and years of promoting
> > an artist and developing a
> > >clientele.
> > >a
> > >Celebrate diversity, think how it might be
> > otherwise.
> >
> > Here, here...
> >
> > eB
> > _____________________________________________
> >
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>
>
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I think the practices of Komus=F4 are being thrown around in this
discussion without much basis in fact. Some Komus=F4 may well have been
deeply spiritual and "enlightened," with only the good of all sentient
beings on their minds as they went their rounds in medieval and early
modern Japan. There are plenty of documents, however, to show that
many other Komus=F4 were thugs who extorted offerings from their
""patrons." It obscures the point of the discussion when we idealize
shakuhachi players from the past in an effort to bolster our arguments
about teaching and learning. If those arguments are solid, they don't
need imaginary figures from the past to make sense.
Tom Hare
On Mar 11, 2005, at 10:34 AM, stan wrote:
<excerpt><italic><bigger>As do i.=A0 A gift is always worth more than
something that has to be bought.</bigger></italic>
=A0
<italic><bigger>The problem is that many people these days see only
money as the true value of everything.=A0 This is sad, very =
sad.</bigger></italic>
=A0
<italic><bigger>We can change the world to make a better place through
our music, but only if we are going to get away from the capitalist
consumerist culture that pervades everything.</bigger></italic>
=A0
<italic><bigger>The Komuso played their flutes freely.=A0 People
accepted that gift and gave alms freely according to their own
abilities.=A0 The Komuso accepted the gift and continued to give =
more.</bigger></italic>
=A0
<italic><bigger>Maybe we can learn something here.</bigger></italic>
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--- edBeaty
<<<color><param>0000,0000,EEEE</param>edosano@yahoo.com</color>> wrote:
> >More thoughts............
> >
> >Re; first calss travel, you want your guests to be
> in good energy, not
> >jet-lagged, tired, disoriented. They have more
> extensive demands to cater to
> >than the 'students'.
>=20
> And the teachers work remarkably hard at their
> teaching tasks. Please=20
> note: This is NOT a Zen retreat, but an intensive
> residential
> workshop. If you want a Zen retreat, it ain't there
> (not even a=20
> pretense of it...)
>=20
> >
> >You get what you pay for.
> >
> >If you don't pay for it there is a real chance you
> won't value it.
> >
> >These occassions are 'Special', not 'Everyday'.
> >
> >I have a gallery and once thought gallery owners
> did not earn the commission
> >they take on a sale, well I know this is not the
> case. A gallery owner has
> >many overheads, rent or purchasee of the space,
> electricity, rates, wages,
> >advertising, entertainment and years of promoting
> an artist and developing a
> >clientele.
> >a
> >Celebrate diversity, think how it might be
> otherwise.
>=20
> Here, here...
>=20
> eB
> _____________________________________________
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Department of Comparative Literature
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(609)258-7202
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